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In new blow to media freedoms in Turkey, a court on Thursday ordered two prominent opposition journalists jailed pending trial over charges of willingly aiding an armed group and of espionage for revealing state secrets for their reports on alleged arms smuggling to Syria.

The court in Istanbul ruled that Cumhuriyet newspaper's editor-in-chief Can Dundar, and the paper's Ankara representative, Erdem Gul, be taken into custody following more than hours of questioning.

In May, the Cumhuriyet paper published what it said were images of Turkish trucks carrying ammunition to Syrian militants.

The images reportedly date back to January 2014, when local authorities searched Syria-bound trucks, touching off a standoff with Turkish intelligence officials. Cumhuriyet said the images were proof that Turkey was smuggling arms to rebels in Syria.

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http://www.todayszaman.com/national...ver-report-on-syria-arms-transfer_405352.html
 
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Since the Muslim party of president Erdogan took power Islamo Fascism reigns in Turkey.


Turkey is turning out to be world’s biggest prison for journalists

The noticeable increase in the number of imprisoned journalists in resent years continues to draw international attention to President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's increasing authoritarianism in Turkey.

Arrests of distinguished journalists for their columns continue to get reactions.

Last week columnist Gültekin Avcı was arrested on charges of plotting a coup against the Turkish government in seven of his columns.

In an e-mail exchange with Professor Noam Chomsky, one of the most well known-American philosophers and commentators, Chomsky said he has been following the deteriorating situation in Turkey with much concern.

In an article that appeared in the Columbia University magazine, the Columbia Journalism Review, on Sept. 23 titled “Once a safe haven, Turkey tightens grip on foreign journalists,” it was noted: “Several years ago, it was more about financial threats to the publishers, which eventually caused self-censorship in the newsrooms. … But now we see more legal investigations as well as physical attacks and death threats to the journalists who do not echo the government's views. What's going in Turkey is extremely worrisome.”

“It is saddening to observe that freedom of the press is diminished more every day in Turkey, along with democratic institutions,” said Fevzi Bilgin, the director of the Rethink Institute, based in Washington, D.C.

“We have published papers documenting the dismal state of press freedom in Turkey. No government likes criticism, but it is for exactly this reason that democracies require a free press in order impose a check on the excesses of government. Freedom of the press is a key freedom and the sovereignty of the people depends on it. Those who disregard a government assault on the free press will eventually have to relinquish their individual and political liberties. And this is exactly what is happening in Turkey,” Bilgin added.

Joyce Davis, president of World Affairs Council of Harrisburg, in Pennsylvania, told Today's Zaman that Turkey's leadership is seriously threatening the country's reputation and standing with the international community in its continuing repression of journalists and media professionals.

“A free press is a prerequisite for a sound democracy. The persistent attempts to stifle press freedom are tarnishing its credibility in the community of nations. But worse, Turkey appears more and more to be falling into the clutches of a dictatorship that is bent on eradicating all dissent,” Davis said.

Joe Lauria, a well-known Middle East expert, said Erdoğan is adopting the same attitude toward the press as his backers in the Gulf, where anyone engaging in unauthorized reporting can be formally accused of espionage.

As the Turkish media landscape deteriorates, Turkey is turning out to be the world's biggest prison for journalists.

http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa...ds-biggest-prison-for-journalists_400018.html
 
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Turkey shooting downs Russian plane is making more sense every day.
 
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fuji said:
Basically a pissing contest between two leaders with fascist leanings. Both undemocratic big men who think their political careers rest on acting tough.
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Well in Russia it kinda does, until they evolved a little more, they have certainly done some backsliding, both nations. But shooting down a foreign plane was a HUGE mistake.
 
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Why Is Turkey part of NATO? What if Russia invades? Are NATO Nations obliged to intervene because of treaty?
 
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nottyboi said:
Well in Russia it kinda does, until they evolved a little more, they have certainly done some backsliding, both nations. But shooting down a foreign plane was a HUGE mistake.
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And here is an even bigger mistake: arrogantly ignoring Turkish pleas to stop bombing ethnic Turks and thinking nothing would happen.

Now that Russian blunder has guaranteed that their mission in Syria will fail by pissing off a must-have ally and turning them into an enemy.

Putin really fucked this up. Catastrophically. He is a joke!
 
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checks said:
Why Is Turkey part of NATO? What if Russia invades? Are NATO Nations obliged to intervene because of treaty?
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Russia won't invade Turkey, just like the US didn't invade Pakistan even though Pakistan actively undermined US operations in Afghanistan. Russia will talk a lot of bull, seize various areas in Syria, claim that they succeeded, and then retreat in defeat. Unless Putin can smooth things over with Turkey, Erdogan will bleed him in Syria by ensuring the insurgency can't be defeated and continues killing Russians until the Russians leave.
 
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fuji said:
And here is an even bigger mistake: arrogantly ignoring Turkish pleas to stop bombing ethnic Turks and thinking nothing would happen.

Now that Russian blunder has guaranteed that their mission in Syria will fail by pissing off a must-have ally and turning them into an enemy.

Putin really fucked this up. Catastrophically. He is a joke!
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Where is the proof this request was made, and what assurances do we have these Turks were not fighting violently with Assad. Russia has made the offer for moderate groups to join the coalition and attack ISIS, these Turkmen have not taken Russia up on the offer. It is pretty clear Turkey is supporting ISIS so they either tell their Turkmen to stand down or die
 
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fuji said:
And here is an even bigger mistake: arrogantly ignoring Turkish pleas to stop bombing ethnic Turks and thinking nothing would happen.

Now that Russian blunder has guaranteed that their mission in Syria will fail by pissing off a must-have ally and turning them into an enemy.

Putin really fucked this up. Catastrophically. He is a joke!
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Putin is a dangerous individual. He could be the trigger that starts WW3. He needs to be eliminated. C'mon CIA.
 
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Obviously those of you calling Erdogan a dictator don't know much about Turkey.

He's won three elections, all of them much fairer than what Putin has rigged. Sure his Islamic leaning party has become more illiberal but if he decided to go the distance the army WILL depose him. The loyalty of the vast majority of Turks lies with the nation's founder Kamal Ataturk, not with Erdogan. At the end of WW I the old Ottoman Empire was on the brink of partition. Ataturk deposed the Sultan kicked out the Western Powers and set up a secular state. Into the present, Turks have been loyal to the Constitution he established.

And FINALLY someone stands up to Putin! Kidos to the Turks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YVXs1LAenA
 
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Insidious Von said:
Obviously those of you calling Erdogan a dictator don't know much about Turkey.

He's won three elections, all of them much fair...
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He sure has some of the same tendencies. He tried shutting down social media when reports on his corruption were spreading, he has had suspicious arrests of secular generals accusing them of a coup, he's spent billions on a palace for himself, violently repressed protests...

And on the topic of Ataturk, he's also eroded some of the pro-secular legislation.

Yes he's won elections but that does not make him a paragon of democracy.

He's also been playing a dangerous game of playing up on his Islamic credentials to gain regional influence (which this plane issue fits into) in the Middle East while also courting Europe.
 
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Where is the proof this request was made, and what assurances do we have these Turks were not fighting violently with Assad. Russia has made the offer for moderate groups to join the coalition and attack ISIS, these Turkmen have not taken Russia up on the offer. It is pretty clear Turkey is supporting ISIS so they either tell their Turkmen to stand down or die
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Where is the proof that Turkey went to the UN and complained about the Russian bombing before this incident? Really? You are screwy.
 
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Insidious Von said:
Obviously those of you calling Erdogan a dictator don't know much about Turkey.

He's won three elections, all of them much fairer than what Putin has rigged. Sure his Islamic leaning party has become more illiberal but if he decided to go the distance the army WILL depose him. The loyalty of the vast majority of Turks lies with the nation's founder Kamal Ataturk, not with Erdogan. At the end of WW I the old Ottoman Empire was on the brink of partition. Ataturk deposed the Sultan kicked out the Western Powers and set up a secular state. Into the present, Turks have been loyal to the Constitution he established.

And FINALLY someone stands up to Putin! Kidos to the Turks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YVXs1LAenA
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I agree that when compared to Russia, Turkey looks very democratic. But that is sort of like declaring somebody the beauty queen of the burn victim ward.

But certainly your statement is true, as far as it goes.
 
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