Bailout plan comment

danmand

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Jonathan Weil, Bloomberg columnist.

"Maybe Congress isn't so dumb after all.

The fatal flaw in Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's $700 billion bailout plan was that it wouldn't fix the problem: Too many important financial institutions don't have enough capital.

If the government wants to save dying banks before they take others down with them, it should choose the clean and direct path: Inject capital into them. Take ownership stakes in return. And, where that's not feasible, seize them and sell their assets in an orderly way, just as the Resolution Trust Corp. did after the 1980s savings-and-loan crisis.

Only after a company's shareholders and debt holders have been flattened should taxpayers take a hit. And for a $700 billion investment, U.S. taxpayers should get a lot more in return than a gargantuan pile of toxic waste.

For that much money, at yesterday's prices, the government could buy 23 of the 24 banks in the KBW Bank Index, including Bank of America Corp. and Wells Fargo & Co. And it still would have money left to buy a stake in JPMorgan Chase & Co., the largest company in the index.

Infusing capital directly, though, was too simple for Paulson. It lacked subterfuge. He decided the way to save the financial system from the evils of structured finance was through more structured finance.

Instead of asking Congress to let Treasury recapitalize needy banks, he proposed buying some of their troubled assets at above-market prices. This would have let other banks create phony capital by writing up the values of similar assets on their own balance sheets, using Treasury's prices as their guide.

Small Wonder

In short, Paulson's plan was one part robbery (with the banks doing the robbing) and one part accounting sleight of hand. No wonder House members rejected it.

If Paulson or congressional leaders devise a Plan B, they should look to the example of Fortis, Belgium's biggest financial-services company. This week, the governments of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg invested 11.2 billion euros ($16.3 billion) in Fortis. In exchange, they got ownership of almost half its banking business.

That's how a government intervention is supposed to work. The company gets fresh capital, which has the added benefit of not being fake. The buyers get equity. Legacy shareholders get slammed with dilution. And if the company recovers, the government can sell shares to the public later, maybe even at a profit.

Such simplicity might feel unnatural to someone like Paulson, who used to run Goldman Sachs Group Inc., or a congressman such as Barney Frank who depends on campaign checks from bankers like an infant needs mother's milk. And lots of taxpayers might object anyway, because it still would involve sending big checks to banks.

Gaining Understanding

At least voters could understand a plan in the European mold, which might lead them to be more forgiving about any unpleasant details. That's better than trying to scare the public into supporting a bailout that doesn't make sense.

As for the illiquid assets still on banks' balance sheets, the best way to find out what they're worth is to start disclosing every conceivable piece of data about them, right down to the daily cash flows they produce. A big reason subprime mortgage-related securities aren't selling is that outsiders can't see what's underlying them on a timely basis.

Remove the kimonos, and capitalism will take its course. At some price, buyers will emerge, once they can see what they're buying. Banks could clear their books. The companies that are able to attract fresh capital would survive. And the ones that couldn't would die, as they should.

What Congress must remember is that Americans don't exist at the pleasure of the country's banks. It's supposed to be the other way around. There's still time for the politicians to come up with a rescue plan that will work. The important part is making sure you and I get something of value in return for our money."
 

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I am confused by the whole situation, as I haven't been following it as closely as some. But I think the writer of the article gives too much credit to congressmen. I doubt that they voted against the plan because they saw the flaws. They voted against it because the voters saw the flaws. They would dearly like to vote for it, but they know that it will potentially cost them their job. At last it would appear that America's disfunctional democracy is actually working as it should.

As for a rescue plan that involves government equity, that is laughable. Close to the entire country is ideologically opposed to that kind of government intervention. Its what they call socialist thinking and it will never happen in the United Stupid of America. (Sorry, that's not my saying...I'm only repeating what Bill Maher says.)

The other night Jon Stewart did a great piece on the so-called rescue plan. He played the Bush speech side-by-side with the speech Bush gave when trying to convince Americans that the invasion of Iraq was the only solution and was URGENTLY necessary. Its incredible how much the 2 speeches were the same old tired tactics of fear and dire consquences. The American public has finally figured out that Dubya is lying to them, that he does not represent their best interests, that he is pulling the wool over their eyes and trying to scam them once again. It will be interesting to see if they can continue to withstand the full-on assault by government and media to manipulate them.
 
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alphauniform

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WOW!...from 3 pages from Poulson to 450 or so from the Senate!!
What a wonderful document!!!!!
The Senate bailout bill includes issues of vital national importance such as :

* Extension of economic development credit to American Samoa (p. 279)

* Rum excise tax to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands (p. 279)

* Motorsports racing track facility (p. 290)

* Wool modifications (p. 295)

* Children and wooden arrows (p. 300)

http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/latestversionAYO08C32_xml.pdf


..........Yah gotta give it to these guys!!!!
The Senate and Congress are saying the world will end if the bailout isn't passed????? Seems to me they just tagged it on to the front of another bill and changed the name!!
 

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I read the comment as a very simple concept: If companies need and want
capital, which is the only way to improve their balance sheet, in a capitalistic
system, that means that ownership should be transferred to the providers of capital.

Why should someone provide capital in return for questionable assets?
 

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Questor said:
The other night Jon Stewart did a great piece on the so-called rescue plan. He played the Bush speech side-by-side with the speech Bush gave when trying to convince Americans that the invasion of Iraq was the only solution and was URGENTLY necessary. Its incredible how much the 2 speeches were the same old tired tactics of fear and dire consquences. The American public has finally figured out that Dubya is lying to them, that he does not represent their best interests, that he is pulling the wool over their eyes and trying to scam them once again. It will be interesting to see if they can continue to withstand the full-on assault by government and media to manipulate them.
Just think. If Bush had mentioned in his speech that we had to pass the bailout bill or the Terrorists would win, it would have passed. He could have called the bill the 'anti terrorist banking bill'
 

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chiller_boy said:
Just think. If Bush had mentioned in his speech that we had to pass the bailout bill or the Terrorists would win, it would have passed. He could have called the bill the 'anti terrorist banking bill'
You think like Karl Rove. LOL Maybe you should be writing speeches for Dubya. I'm glad they didn't think of your suggestion. If they can get the public to believe that Saddam planned the 9/11 attack, they could surely convince them that the terrorists would win if they don't bail out the banks. In fact, it would seem to be a much easier task. They sure missed a golden opportunity. They may go down that road yet.
 

Mcluhan

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chiller_boy said:
Just think. If Bush had mentioned in his speech that we had to pass the bailout bill or the Terrorists would win, it would have passed. He could have called the bill the 'anti terrorist banking bill'

On the street it's now the 'Bankster Bill"
 

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Bush and the American public have finally discovered the location of the missing WMD's. It is the American financial corporations. Instead of scouring the middle east all they had to do was look under the balance sheets of most Wall Street financial corporations.
 

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great bear said:
Bush and the American public have finally discovered the location of the missing WMD's. It is the American financial corporations. Instead of scouring the middle east all they had to do was look under the balance sheets of most Wall Street financial corporations.
Good one!!

jwm
 

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danmand said:
I read the comment as a very simple concept: If companies need and want
capital, which is the only way to improve their balance sheet, in a capitalistic
system, that means that ownership should be transferred to the providers of capital.

Why should someone provide capital in return for questionable assets?
I agree with you the term bailout should be banned any plan should involve buying assets. Perhaps mortgages would be a good start.


A house that sold for $400,000 with a 100% mortgage is not worth $400,000 anymore but it sure as hell is not worth zero either. Right now that's what the write down is to because there is no market. The Government should buy it for $250,000.

Secondly, the Government should guarantee all bank deposits and commercial bank debt so that businesses small and large can carry on. If they have to make good on a guarantee they get an ownership interest.
Ireland has done this yesterday.
 

Mcluhan

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train said:
Secondly, the Government should guarantee all bank deposits and commercial bank debt so that businesses small and large can carry on. If they have to make good on a guarantee they get an ownership interest.
Ireland has done this yesterday.
The Americans are already doing the same thing, but they are doing it the American way. They just paved/greased the way for two strong US banks to consolidate the assets of two weak banks..its already happened. The bailout is just a money grab by the top merchant banks, and wall street combined. There is no absolute necessity for it. Its a deception. Its extortion. Its a play. And the public is being played.
 

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Mcluhan said:
The Americans are already doing the same thing, but they are doing it the American way. They just paved/greased the way for two strong US banks to consolidate the assets of two weak banks..its already happened. The bailout is just a money grab by the top merchant banks, and wall street combined. There is no absolute necessity for it. Its a deception. Its extortion. Its a play. And the public is being played.
It is about $5,000 for each american taxpayer, or $200 for each man, women and
chield on earth.
 

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Congressman Sherman Statement on Bailout Passage

October 3, 2008

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca27_sherman/morenews/BailoutStatement.html


Washington, D.C. - Today, Congress approved the $700 billion Wall Street Bailout Bill. Under the Bill, hundreds of billions of dollars will be used to buy toxic assets currently in safes in London, Shanghai, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Bailed out Wall Street firms will use their bail out money to pay million dollars a month salaries, and to even increase them to two million dollars a month. (For details, see paper at BradSherman.house.gov.)

Our economy will not do well in the months to come, and dropping $700 billion on Wall Street is not going to make things much better. But now Wall Street will use the same fear mongering tactics which were used to pass the Bill, in order to justify the bill.

In order to pass the Bill, Wall Street declared that unless they received $700 billion in unmarked bills, the Dow would drop by 4,000 points and blood would flow in the streets. The passage of the Bill will have little positive economic effect, and the fall and winter will be bad times for our economy. But in the coming weeks, Wall Street will justify the Bill by saying that we averted those very same calamities they had predicted during their successful effort to create panic, and pass the Bill.

The worst abuses of the Bill can be minimized if Congress, and especially the press, begins an unprecedented level of ferocious oversight:

We have to make sure that Paulson spends the money and the orderly rate of less than $50 billion month (as he has promised), not at a frantic pace that spends it all by January 20th, 2009.

We have to make sure that Paulson treats all financial entities fairly, whether they be firms he likes, or firms he doesn’t like. (It will take incredible investigative journalism to see whether the executives of any bailed-out firms are making secret contributions to Section 527 organizations, which are responsible for a big chunk of today’s political advertising).

When a firm receives a billion dollars in bail-out cash, we must report on which of its executives are receiving that cash in the form of salaries in excess of $1 million a year. (The bill allows unlimited salaries to be paid by bailed-out firms, and does not contain a provision preventing the bail-out cash from being used to pay those salaries.)

Each time a U.S.-headquartered entity sells billions of toxic assets to the Treasury, we must ask whether that U.S. entity is just acting as an intermediary. We must ask whether those toxic assets were in foreign safes on September 20th, 2008. We must be aware of the China two-step (described in a paper at BradSherman.house.gov), in which a foreign investor who made bad business decisions can sell toxic assets to a U.S. entity on Monday, and Paulson can buy those toxic assets with taxpayer dollars on Tuesday.

No one will ever be able to prove that the Bailout Bill helped or hurt our economy during the coming fall and winter. Only two things are certain: the bill will provide hundreds of billions of dollars to investors who made bad decisions and Wall Street executives; and our children and grandchildren will now face a national debt that is hundreds of billions of dollars higher.
 
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