bad luck or is the industry a sinking ship?

[slipin-jimmy]

Is it just me or are reliable providers a thing of the past? Since covid started (even a bit before that) it seems like booking an appointment has become much more of a hassle than ever before. Unfortunately, I don't always find recommendations helpful. I don't hobby nearly as much as some of you but here's what it's been like for me since 2019.

Summer 2019, I book with a lady who has tons of great reviews. After I get there on time, she asks for more time; I accept, what else can I do? About 30 min later, I get the ok to go up to her room. As soon as I get it, she closes the door and tells me to hide until she can get rid of the double booking she accidentally did. She asked me first if I had the longer session of the 2 which I did so she got the other guy to go away after knocking on the door. Still went through the session but not a pleasant experience a non-repeat for sure.

Summer 2020, I book with a lady who has tons of great reviews. She got many praises for her oral skills. I go to the appointment and I felt like I got the silence treatment, she barely spoke the entire time. I had the impression that she had PTSD (not the first time I notice this in someone). She meant well but the oral skills were nothing special (I personally felt like there was too much teeth, almost to a painful level). Service was otherwise good but I wouldn't give a perfect 10 as many reviewers did. Felt mislead by the reviews. I guess this was a case of the chemistry just not being there. Disappointing but not offensive, can't see myself repeating.

Summer 2021, I book a lady who has tons of great reviews. I have to go through a screening process. Took 2 days for everything to clear up. I then book a very short session. When I'm about to leave home, I get asked to delay 15min. No problem, I go to the appointment, everything is wonderful, nice personality, she looks amazing, service is wonderful. 2 weeks later, I decide I want to see her again and try to book for 1hr on a Friday or Saturday. She asks me if I can do Sunday instead, I say ok, we find a time and she tells me to txt her an hour before the appointment to confirm so I respond "I'll txt you at 7pm". Sunday morning, as I'm away from my burner, she texts asking if she could push us to 1 hour later because she will have family over and she might not have enough time to get ready. At that point I was expecting to only have to check in at 7pm so I didn't see the message until 4pm. I'm not impressed with the constant changing of times but I say ok. I then get a message saying "you didn't reply so I cancelled your appointment and I'm now fully booked". I was supposed to check in at 7pm but I got cancelled for not responding 7 hours earlier when I was in wait mode. MY availabilities are limited. I wanted to have fun over a free weekend, instead I had to constantly jump through hoops to end up with a giant screw you. If I wanted to bend over backwards for someone and waste my time amounting to nothing I'd go on Tinder instead! Cancelling my booked appointment before the next time of contact is a deal breaker for me (not to mention the colonoscopy to get to this point) so another non-repeat.

In contrast,

In 2017-18, I was never asked for screening/deposit/...

In 2017-18, I booked a lady (since retired or moved or I don't know), she had only a handful of reviews so I took a chance. She turned out to be one of my favourites. I check reviews a few months later and some are thrashing her for all sorts of minor things (ie the appartment was messy, she told me she had just moved in and didn't have time to unpack everything, not like there were roaches crawling around).

In 2017-18 There were 5 ladies I would gladly repeat with, of those 5 only 1 is still active (perhaps because of covid).

Since then I find rates have gone up significantly (thanks covid...) and so has the bs.

For the record, I have ALWAYS been true to my word when I book. I never cancelled or not showed up. Never negotiated rates. I'm not saying positive reviews are all lies, but they don't tell the whole story. Since 2019, I've noticed an increase of comments about not being able to write a truthful review without being chewed out by the provider or some kind of negative consequence (which is why I'm not dropping names, pls don't ask). We are left in an environment where legit criticism is like walking in a mine field; how can this be good for anyone?


I know I sound like an old guy talking about 'the good ol'days', no need to remind me.

 

[Robert 21]

@slipin-jimmy any Links to Reviews? You currently have 3 Posts.

Sounds like you’ve had more Misses then Hits....

Desperate Times with COVID....Have you tried any MP? Maybe better results.




***TIMES ARE CHANGING***

 

[westcityside]

Sounds like a run of bad luck, but bad things come in threes, so maybe the next will be a home run?

 

[slipin-jimmy]

More misses than hits for sure. I tried an MP once before (2018 I think), communication was wishy washy...get there on time, she took in someone else thinking it was me, had asked about door fees, she said no but when I got there, I got hit with the fees...not a very good first impression.

No review on my end for the following reasons:

- I see someone with tons of good reviews, adding mine is a drop in the bucket, just don't think it would contribute anything that hasn't already been said.
- I see someone with tons of good reviews, I disagree but I'm alone with 3 posts going against hundreds...I'll be labeled a shill and will lose credibility, what's the point.
- If I had a not really positive review, I risk opening an internet drama can of worms; when that happens, all parties lose. I prefer to be on the sidelines observing and making my own judgement.

I remain optimistic that some of the better providers I know that went MIA due to covid will be returning soon as more and more are vaccinated.

@slipin-jimmy any Links to Reviews? You currently have 3 Posts.

Sounds like you’ve had more Misses then Hits....

Desperate Times with COVID....Have you tried any MP? Maybe better results.




***TIMES ARE CHANGING***

 

[slipin-jimmy]

I do have some candidates in mind, but scheduling/location hasn't worked out yet...hope you're right about the home run.

Sounds like a run of bad luck, but bad things come in threes, so maybe the next will be a home run?

 

[dynomyte]

It seems as though the dislike of the Ottawa scene goes both ways. Jillian Jameson tweeted today that Ottawa hobbyists are the worst. You can see the tweet Here. I am sure that there are difficult clients in every city just as there are like difficult SWers in every city. But, when Ottawa providers are saying this stuff, it impacts ladies who might tour here, which then leads to men reacting negatively to the quality of the Ottawa scene. There has been a big increase in rates yet service quality for some has diminished and this adds to the negativity. Some SWers have said that they have been targeted by other SWers with fake reviews, fake bookings etc which makes Ottawa hobbyists look even worse. Anyway, many hobbyists are willing to travel to MTL or ktown to find quality experiences. To each their own I guess. I am not trying to blame hobbyists or providers as I believe that an industry and relationships within the industry work both ways. If hobbysists treat a provider well, then they are more likely to provide a great experience, however, if a provider offers great experience, she will likely be treated well. In addition, slamming providers on review board leads to providers slamming hobbyists on twitter etc and providers slamming hobbyists on twitter etc leads to hobbyists slamming providers on review boards.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

I don't mind paying more for good service, SWers are affected by the cost of living too. But it seems in the last 6 months the number of scammers and SW putting up fake pictures is rampant, trying to find a decent honest provider is getting harder and harder in Ottawa

 

[Meaning]

No review on my end for the following reasons:

- I see someone with tons of good reviews, adding mine is a drop in the bucket, just don't think it would contribute anything that hasn't already been said.
- I see someone with tons of good reviews, I disagree but I'm alone with 3 posts going against hundreds...I'll be labeled a shill and will lose credibility, what's the point.
- If I had a not really positive review, I risk opening an internet drama can of worms; when that happens, all parties lose. I prefer to be on the sidelines observing and making my own judgement.

With this sort of logic though, the reviews won't be reflective of the service of that provider since it will only be positive/glowing reviews (hence why you went with that provider to begin with).

 

[Tipsyalt]

- I see someone with tons of good reviews, adding mine is a drop in the bucket, just don't think it would contribute anything that hasn't already been said.

I have to disagree with you there. Even if reviews of already established providers aren't as useful as reviews for new or unknown providers, they can still be useful in certain ways, such as providing more up-to-date information if some time has passed since the last review, or mentioning someting about the provider/location/services/etc that haven't yet been brought up. Even if your review is as simple as "+1, enjoyed myself", more good reviews can help someone who's uncertain make a decision.

 

[DoctorMuon]

Desperate Times with COVID....Have you tried any MP? Maybe better results.

The town has gone to the spas, due to many of the reasons @slipin-jimmy mentions, lack of professionalism in booking and organization. You make an appointment through a spa, the times of the appointment are basically guaranteed. I've not seen them reschedule me for random reasons. They may sometimes inform you that a particular lady you were looking for might have gone home early, but there's usually backups available at the location.

 

[westcityside]

The town has gone to the spas, due to many of the reasons @slipin-jimmy mentions, lack of professionalism in booking and organization. You make an appointment through a spa, the times of the appointment are basically guaranteed. I've not seen them reschedule me for random reasons. They may sometimes inform you that a particular lady you were looking for might have gone home early, but there's usually backups available at the location.

People are willing to pay big money for the spa treatment and its a well organized industry. With a lack of agencies, indies are the only game in town for SPs, someone will eventually open an agency or two, theres money being left on the table.

 

[westcityside]

@slipin-jimmy any Links to Reviews? You currently have 3 Posts.

Desperate Times with COVID....Have you tried any MP? Maybe better results.

Spas dont offer full service, theres a huge difference between full service and what is offered in spas. A lot of guys dont want to pay 180 to not get laid.

 

[DoctorMuon]

People are willing to pay big money for the spa treatment and its a well organized industry. With a lack of agencies, indies are the only game in town for SPs, someone will eventually open an agency or two, theres money being left on the table.

The city is too full of busy-bodies who call the police on their neighbours. If an agency were to set up an incall in pretty much any residential area, there would be 3 complaints on the first night as people sit outside looking at the guys going into the place. Spas on the other hand, are expected to setup in industrial parks, which puts them far away from residential areas, so there would be far less complaints. That's probably why spas have thrived and agencies have disappeared. Now agencies could possibly setup in a business park too, but that would just make them spas too.

 

[westcityside]

The city is too full of busy-bodies who call the police on their neighbours. If an agency were to set up an incall in pretty much any residential area, there would be 3 complaints on the first night as people sit outside looking at the guys going into the place. Spas on the other hand, are expected to setup in industrial parks, which puts them far away from residential areas, so there would be far less complaints. That's probably why spas have thrived and agencies have disappeared. Now agencies could possibly setup in a business park too, but that would just make them spas too.

Agencies offer full service, spas dont. An Agency in a business park would be an agency as it offers full service. Also, the people who run organized sex work in Ottawa prefer to run spas. It would take someone from Montreal or Toronto to set up an agency here, an outsider

 

[asuran]

Agencies offer full service, spas dont. An Agency in a business park would be an agency as it offers full service. Also, the people who run organized sex work in Ottawa prefer to run spas. It would take someone from Montreal or Toronto to set up an agency here, an outsider

Mirage, Garden of Eden and even Allegra tested the market last few years. Incentives just not enticing enough to continue.
Even Pink Kitty who was local couldn't thrive nor survive.

 

[Mandalorian]

A sad post regarding a sad state of affairs. Lately I’ve been sticking to a few indies I like and enjoying day trips to Mtl for food, drink and ladies.

Ottawa is ottawa.

 

[thedude35]

The city is too full of busy-bodies who call the police on their neighbours. If an agency were to set up an incall in pretty much any residential area, there would be 3 complaints on the first night as people sit outside looking at the guys going into the place. Spas on the other hand, are expected to setup in industrial parks, which puts them far away from residential areas, so there would be far less complaints. That's probably why spas have thrived and agencies have disappeared. Now agencies could possibly setup in a business park too, but that would just make them spas too.

I wouldn't call them busy-bodies, lol. I wouldn't be happy that my neighbour is running an operation like this (agency or independent). It's probably the only "not in my backyard" thing that I agree with that isn't (completely) illegal. I live in the suburbs, in a pretty decent, family-oriented neighbourhood. A few years ago, someone rented out their house to what I can only assume were drug dealers. The people and cars coming and going, and idling in front late at night got annoying quick, and so did the talking in the driveway at 1am. I'd rather have a sex worker living next door, and I wouldn't have a problem with them, personally, but it's the regular traffic, late hours and, sorry, sketchy people coming and going. If I wanted to live where the action is, I'd be downtown somewhere. Residential areas are where you go when you don't want the hustle and bustle, and they're often full of kids.

There is (or was, anyway) an operation running out of a townhouse in Upper Hunt Club recently. I know someone who lives on that street, probably about 20 doors down. They, and the entire neighbourhood, knows exactly what goes on there. He's told me he's seen more than a couple people he knows driving by and going to that house, which is awkward, lol.

Would I call the cops? Unlikely, but it depends on just how disrespectful the person/agency/clients are. I didn't with the drug dealers, but they didn't last long. I assume the owner dealt with it once they heard what was going on in their house.

edited to add - not comparing sex workers with drug dealers!

 

[thedude35]

I've never been ghosted for an appointment, but I've noticed prices have definitely gone up. Obviously Covid has hit certain industries hard, and I would imagine there was (and probably still is) much less clientele for many workers than pre-2020. It is what it is, I guess. Problem is, prices will stay high going forward. I'm already pretty well priced out of a lot of ladies I'd otherwise see, but that's my problem, not theirs.

I only started dabbling in this (indy ma's 99%) a few years ago so I can't comment on SP's and their prices personally, but I do occasionally check out ads and obviously I pay attention here.

Is it just me or are reliable providers a thing of the past? Since covid started (even a bit before that) it seems like booking an appointment has become much more of a hassle than ever before. Unfortunately, I don't always find recommendations helpful. I don't hobby nearly as much as some of you but here's what it's been like for me since 2019.

 

[itd131]

Between 2013-2015 Ottawa hit a peak where things were better than ever. The scene has been declining since then. If you got into it in the last 5-10 years I guess you could say you were spoiled. The good news is, things now are still much better than before that time, but it is true that in Ottawa you will generally find fewer options, pay more money, receive less quality of service and have a harder time avoiding scams than in TO or MTL. Mandalorian is correct, Ottawa is Ottawa. The way to have a good time here is build "relationships" with a regular lady or two (in my experience the best ladies in this city are selective and fly under the radar at least somewhat) and remember that MTL is only a couple hours away if you want the "big city" experience.

 

[jalimon]

Not sure about Ottawa and Toronto as I have been stuck in Montreal since March 2020.

Here in Montreal since covid the indy scene (girl of add sites, not advertised indy of merb) is completely dead. We used to have about 15-20 great indy provider mostly in the suburbs of Montreal (north and south). There is probably 1 or 2 still working (part time). I do not know if that will change once gouvernment help is finished but for now add sites are a no go in Montreal.

On the agency and merb advertised indy the scene is still great. Maybe not as many girl but there is many and the quality is good. Many makes regular trips to Toronto suffering the lack of business visitors in Montreal.

I don't know how it will evolve but here in the northshore of Montreal I do miss the 2016-2018 era. My god it was awsome and at a fair price. That's history I think.