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bb320

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Hi all,

I've been trying to find a realistic benchmark of how much a normal family would earn before TAX in toronto. This is due to the fact that house prices are getting a little too crazy, and I consistantly feels that others are doing so well. Would a combine income of 180K consider resonable for a couple in their early 30s?

any info or input is greatly appreciated.
 

shack

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180K is very reasonable.

Depends on how much hobbying you do, though.
 

needinit

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To be honest, I have no idea on how people live in Toronto and still seem to keep a lifestyle that they seem to keep (appearances may be different than reality).

A combined in come of 180k is not reasonable - that would be at the upper end. reasonable would be more like one partner earning, say 75k and the other 60k, or something like both at 75k.

Here is a the link for median income (so 50% are above and 50% are below):

http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/City=Toronto/Salary
 

DshRipRock

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Hi all,

I've been trying to find a realistic benchmark of how much a normal family would earn before TAX in toronto. This is due to the fact that house prices are getting a little too crazy, and I consistantly feels that others are doing so well. Would a combine income of 180K consider resonable for a couple in their early 30s?

any info or input is greatly appreciated.
As long as you live like a person earning 180K you will be fine.
 

Adrenaline

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The average household income in Toronto is probably around 120k, the median might be slightly more.
 

stinkynuts

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I have no idea where you guys are getting these numbers, they must be a reflection of terb's affluent demographics.

The average household income in TO is around $75,000. Anything over $100,000 would be the top quintile.

http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/pdf3/all_toronto.pdf

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-19189891_ITM


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/05/01/tto-census.html


Average Toronto family has less in its wallets than 5 years ago: census
Last Updated: Thursday, May 1, 2008 | 12:08 PM ET Comments8Recommend11The Canadian Press
The latest census data suggests the average family in the Toronto region has a little less in its wallets than it did the last time Statistics Canada asked people about how much money they make.

New information from the 2006 census released Thursday indicates the median income for families in and around Toronto was $75,829 — a decrease from the 2001 census, when it was $77,693 when adjusted for inflation.

The 2.4 per cent decrease compares to a national increase in income of 3.7 per cent and a provincial increase of 1.4 per cent.

Individuals in the metropolitan Toronto area had a median income of $26,754. Five years earlier, the median income was $28,700.

The census data also indicates the gender wage gap decreased.

Men in the Toronto region typically earned $51,235 compared to $41,284 for women — meaning women made on average only 81 per cent of what men earned. Five years earlier, the gap was 78 per cent in favour of men.

People aged 25 to 34 — generally the age range when younger people are getting established in the workforce — had a median income of $29,961. Senior citizens in and around Toronto had a median income of $20,724.

Statistics Canada also looked at how people in the lowest and highest earnings brackets fared over the five-year period.

The median earnings for lower-income workers — those in the bottom 20 per cent of earners in the region — decreased by 10.1 per cent to $17,071. Those at the high end — in the top 20 per cent — saw their income increase by 3.9 per cent to $98,358.

Education impacts earnings
Statistics Canada does not have a standard definition for the term "poverty line."

Instead, it uses a formula that looks at families who need to spend a high proportion of their income on basic necessities like food, shelter and clothing. In the Toronto region, Statistics Canada says, 15.7 per cent of families fell into this low-income category.

Not surprisingly, the level of education has a direct impact on earnings. Among people in the Toronto area:

University-educated people earned a median wage of $58,245.
College grads made $45,513.
Trade or apprentice school grads made $43,279.
People with only a high school diploma made $39,963.
Those with no secondary school diploma made $34,893.
Immigrants living in the Toronto region typically had a median wage of 10.8 per cent less than the median wage of all those in Toronto. Across the country, the census shows that immigrants made less on the job than the average Canadian — $39,523 compared to a national median wage of $41,401.

The earnings information released by Statistics Canada is for what's known as the census metropolitan area of Toronto, which represents the city's core boundary as well as outlying suburban areas.

The data is based on information gathered in the 2006 census where respondents were asked for their total income during 2005. Income can include earnings from a job, investments and government programs.

While Statistics Canada regularly reports on economic factors at the national and provincial level, the census is the only vehicle that provides a detailed look at income and earnings at the community level.

The data published Thursday is the final release of material from the 2006 census.

Previously, Statistics Canada revealed information about the population of Toronto in a wide range of areas, including age and sex breakdowns, education, immigration and language.

$180,000 a year is not even close to a reasonable estimate.
 

SkyRider

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The average household income in TO is around $75,000. Anything over $100,000 would be the top quintile.
That sounds about right. When I applied for my mortgage 5 years ago, the bank manager had family income broken down by neighborhoods as well as overall for Toronto. Of course, family income in Rosedale would be higher than for Parkdale.
 

Adrenaline

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"Individuals in the metropolitan Toronto area had a median income of $26,754. Five years earlier, the median income was $28,700."

That doesn't make sense. If you work at McDonald's making minimum wage you'll be making about $20,000 per year, how can the median income for an individual living in metro Toronto be $26,754??

The average salary in Canada, not Toronto, is $42,000, so in Toronto I'd imagine it would be closer to $60,000 per individual.
 

Brill

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Average income for an individual in Toronto factors in those unemployed, on welfare, retired, disabled, stay at home moms, students, those working under the table, etc.

The $26,754 median looks about right.
 

Rockslinger

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Average income for an individual in Toronto factors in those unemployed, on welfare, retired, disabled, stay at home moms, students, those working under the table, etc.
Maybe we should limit the question only those gainfully employed working on top of the table.
 

bb320

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It's very disturbing tho to see students first out of school putting all their $ toward a BMW...
 

Macator2003

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Average income for an individual in Toronto factors in those unemployed, on welfare, retired, disabled, stay at home moms, students, those working under the table, etc.

The $26,754 median looks about right.
That may be true Brill, but the poster is asking about average family income.

Needinit provided some helpful stats. My guess would be between $80,000 to $100,000............
 

mac

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That may be true Brill, but the poster is asking about average family income.

Needinit provided some helpful stats. My guess would be between $80,000 to $100,000............
closer to 70k for households with couples or lone parent. if you bring in households with single occupants the number goes lower. http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/famil107a-eng.htm http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/famil107d-eng.htm

Bottom line.....there are a lot more poor people out there than anyone thinks.
 

Peter123

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Too true Mac

Never ceases to amaze me to listen to folks with incomes of 80, 100, 120+ whine about money...they have no concept of how well off they are by comparison to so many people......

But then for the most part we only "look up"....and have distorted view of the world. Everyone sees the fancy cars and the big houses and think those are the norm. No one notices the crap cars, the people on the bus and the big apartments with hundreds of people living in them....
 

Brandon123

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stinkynuts is on the right track. Toronto is lower than the suburbs. Toronto mid 70's for a family, York Region low 90's, Peel Region high 80's etc. These are just estimates but i'm pretty sure they are close enough.
 

nottyboi

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I assume median income would include those with zero income, housewives, children etc???
 
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