Avatar - Investment Nutcase Thread

[masterchief]

Dude, numbers from "actual real world experience" means your numbers are from incorrect sources. The production costs for Avatar are $750 Million USD.

Okay .

Well if my facts (I’ve never quotes any numbers, just facts as to how the worlds of film production and financing work)are from incorrect sources (which is quite funny since my chosen profession is film production), then step up..show us all how your numbers aren’t.

It’s easy for you to keep posting lies and half truths, but you’re yet to produce any real verifiable evidence aside from conjecture and factoids you’ve pulled off of the net.

So come on, show us how you are right and every other person out there is wrong. Come on show us what you’ve been saying all along, that Avatar is a financial flop, but this time prove it. Prove it and I’ll be the first one to admit you were right…..but you won’t do that will you..because you can’t.

So step up to the plate, or go back into the peanut gallery.

Until you do, all you keep posting is nonsensical ramblings.

 

[Gyaos]

Okay .
Well if my facts (I’ve never quotes any numbers, just facts as to how the worlds of film production and financing work).

If you don't post numbers, your opinion is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.

Gyaos.

 

[masterchief]

If you don't post numbers, your opinion is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
Gyaos.

There's a surprise...
Since you can't produce any numbers to prove any of the so called "facts" you keep spewing...your opinion (like you) is nothing but irelevant noise.

 

[newguy27]

Gyaos again in his fantasy land making up whatever numbers he wants. I'm surprised he didnt say a it costs a "Gazillion dollars" (insert Dr. Evil laugh with pinky point here) to make.

Gyaos, you got burned bad in your similarly stupid KIng Kong thread, why look even more silly with this?

 

[blackrock13]

If you don't post numbers, your opinion is irrelevant.

Gyaos.

Wha? Another oriental pearl of wisdom.

Don't worry MC/NG27, you'll get use to it.

 

[Cycleguy007]

Too bad George Lukas will always be known as a "one trick pony". Has he done anything else besides Star Wars?

Huh?????

Ever heard of ILM? Industrial Light and Magic- responsible for TONS of special effects in movies done these days.

Ever heard of Lucas Arts? Video Games.... HUGE $$$$

Ever heard of Lucasfilms?

 

[Gyaos]

I'm surprised he didnt say a it costs a "Gazillion dollars" (insert Dr. Evil laugh with pinky point here) to make. Gyaos, you got burned bad in your similarly stupid KIng Kong thread, why look even more silly with this?

YEAH!! We have a winner!! Finally, someone came out to find the REAL reason I started this thread! Give this guy a gold bone! Can you hear those little dogs going "yap, yap, yap!"

We have $1.2 Billion with Avatar!

Some guys like masterchief never studied mathematics using the letter i (you know, the "imaginary number" where i squared equals -1). I can't trust people that don't cough up numbers. Those are the blokes that would work for a Galleon, or a Madoff....and end up making very little.

Okay, DOUBLE IT.

Gyaos Baltar.

 

[masterchief]

YEAH!! We have a winner!! Finally, someone came out to find the REAL reason I started this thread! Give this guy a gold bone!
We have $1.2 Billion with Avatar!Some guys like masterchief never studied mathematics using the letter i (you know, the "imaginary number" where i squared equals -1). I can't trust people that don't cough up numbers. Those are the blokes that would work for a Galleon, or a Madoff....and end up making very little.
Okay, DOUBLE IT..

Blah blah blah

You can keep posting doublespeak and nonsense all you want, but you've yet again failed to produce any real facts of numbers to prove any of your points.
So once again, you're nothing but alot of hot air....and full of it.

Yawn.

 

[blackrock13]

Blah blah blah

You can keep posting doublespeak and nonsense all you want, but you've yet again failed to produce any real facts of numbers to prove any of your points.
So once again, you're nothing but alot of hot air....and full of it.

Yawn.

Wait till Gayass starts calling you a newbie. Then you'll feel the love, believe me.

 

[Gyaos]

Blah blah blah
You can keep posting doublespeak and nonsense all you want, but you've yet again failed to produce any real facts of numbers to prove any of your points.
So once again, you're nothing but alot of hot air....and full of it.
Yawn.

And you've contradicted shit. You and blackrock13 can squeeze the Charmin.

Gyaos.

 

[blackrock13]

And you've contradicted shit. You and blackrock13 can squeeze the Charmin.

Gyaos.

As opposed to your practice of using your left hand and a bowl of warm water.

 

[masterchief]

And you've contradicted shit. You and blackrock13 can squeeze the Charmin.
Gyaos.

Really?

Care to tell me where I've done this...or is this another case of you not being able to back up what you post? Looking back at your posting history it seems to be a common occurance with you.

You can obfuscate and insult me all you want, but in the end you've yet againfailed to produce any reputable facts to back up anything that you've been claiming.

So all this shows is how much of a childish liar you are.

 

[wollensak]

1.14 Billion and counting

Avatar has grossed $1.14 billion in 3 weeks. Only higher grossing film is Titanic, again by Cameron.

This thing will probably go over $2 billion in another couple of weeks.

 

[Writer]

This is a retarded thread. The fact is that nobody but the accountants really know.

You guys also forgot to take into consideration that the longer it's in theatres the more money they make from the release vs the production company. It's diminishing returns and theatre chains make more as it climbs.

ROI on this movie is very low no matter how you look at it because it is such a huge II.

However something like Blair Witch and Paranormal activity have huge ROI, or even smaller movies like My big fat greek wedding and Chasing Amy had rather large ROI.

 

[Gyaos]

Really?
Care to tell me where I've done this...or is this another case of you not being able to back up what you post?

Dude, I present an argument with numbers and you do not provide numbers that contradict, in fact you went on-the-record by saying you don't provide numbers. That means, your argument is mute. Don't worry, your demo tape at Much Music hasn't a chance.

Gyaos Baltar.

 

[blackrock13]

Just a little point of interest during this epiphanal moment for Gayass, the highest grossing film of all time, I'd heard this some time back, accounting for inflation is 'Gone with The Wind'. It cost approx 3.5 million to make (scandalous at the time) and as of August 2008, it has grossed approx $1.5 BILLION; that is, for those who love figures 5000% return in 70 years, approx 70% per year. Others can be found here.


http://www.scene-stealers.com/top-10/top-10-grossing-movies-adjusted-for-inflation/

Now back to the thread and Guyass' pregnant pause.

 

[blackrock13]

This is a retarded thread. The fact is that nobody but the accountants really know.

You guys also forgot to take into consideration that the longer it's in theatres the more money they make from the release vs the production company. It's diminishing returns and theatre chains make more as it climbs.

ROI on this movie is very low no matter how you look at it because it is such a huge II.

However something like Blair Witch and Paranormal activity have huge ROI, or even smaller movies like My big fat greek wedding and Chasing Amy had rather large ROI.

The other tricky part here is that the returns are often front end loaded in that up to 80-90% of the gate goes back to the production houses in the first couple of weeks and then less in time. As stated, the theaters don't make much initially, but do better in time.

It's too bad my earlier post got jumped. It lost a lot because Gayass woke up early, but the point was made.

 

[Gyaos]

You guys also forgot to take into consideration that the longer it's in theatres the more money they make from the release vs the production company.

Not exactly, but close. What one has to take into account is the number of customers going to theatres is declining (and DVD sales are really dropping), so the only way the industry keeps up is RAISING admission prices. Avatar is trying to get return customers to the 3-D theatres, which are dramically smaller in number than they will be in 2012. Looking at the percentages from NA vs foreign is the proof. What Avatar is doing is a small ROI return for 2 - 5 years from now, when 3D theatres increase in numbers......that is if GS "donates" the money to build them. masterchief will say I'm wrong there too. blackrock13 is still looking for EBC. One day, they'll get together and do an Abbott & Costello meets The Invisible Man. Neither one of them know the industry (especially the part outside the box), except for being a gaffer.

Gyaos Baltar.

 

[blackrock13]

I'm still trying to figure out EBC, can't translate his gibberish? Can someone help? Guyass thinks if he uses buzz words it sounds like he know what he's talking about.

 

[masterchief]

Dude, I present an argument with numbers and you do not provide numbers that contradict,.

Actually you produced numbers you could not provide any facts to back with. You keep spewing made-up figures and expect everyone to belive it as gospel, much like your claims that Avatar was going to be a financial flop.What I provided was an understanding to how film financing and cost allocation works, outside of the innacurate "facts" you keep reposting.

I don't need to provide numbers to contridict lies and half-truths.

Funny how once again, you still haven't provided any proof to your claims yet. it's all I've asked from you and all you've done is dance around the issue and thrown around lame insults. Having trouble finding any?

Yawn....