Avatar - A really, really good, really, really racist movie

[Aardvark154]

In actual history no. In fanciful, legendary, mythical exaggerations of her story she saves her white husband from death and he goes on to become the savior of her people.

See the Disney animated Pocahontas for an example.
None of that really happened, though.

What really happened is that she and her husband John Rolfe through their granddaughter Anne Rolfe and even more so through their great-grandson Major John Bolling have scads of descendants throughout the First Families of Virginia, and most likely in some UEL families as well. Disney discovered this to their dismay when they started taking high powered flack over the movie.

 

[blackrock13]

As I understand the Pocahontas story from historians, she did save him from death by her covering his body with hers when her father, the chief, was going to have him killed. They later got married. A time warp but basically true.

 

[Aardvark154]

Puerile and simplistic analysis.....

The best comment I've seen yet!

I've also seen the movie critiqued for having a stereotypical anti-colonialist attitude. So what a movie, racist and anti-colonialist at the same time!

 

[Aardvark154]

As I understand the Pocahontas story from historians, she did save him from death by her covering his body with hers when her father, the chief, was going to have him killed. They later got married. A time warp but basically true.

That was Captain John Smith when she was a child. The only basis for the story is a book that Smith wrote many years later. This is not to say that it is necessarily untrue, but Smith was prone to exaggeration. It is true that she was told he was dead and was shocked to learn he was alive when she and her husband were in England.

Her husband was John Rolfe.

 

[Brookstone]

I'm sure we can find something racist in a lot of movies. People just need to take entertainment as it is. If you can't talk about this or that in a movie, than what are you suppose to talk about. You're going to offend someone at some point no matter what you say.

 

[givemebrain]

Ridiculous! Agreed that Cameron's cliched and predictable plot line was largely taken from Pocahontas, but racist? Are we forgetting that the evil people intending to crush the indigenous Na'vi for mining purposes are white, and the protagonist (although white) learns that the goals of the colonists are indeed evil and he rebels against them? It's not a story about an indigenous group being saved from destruction by a white dude - it's a story of a white dude being saved by adapting to the indigenous way of life and not imposing his lifestyle on them, even when it means turning his back on his people.

 

[tboy]

I agree: what a crock of shit. it's a goddamn story FFS. Fantasy, on another fricken world.....if you can read racism in this, you can read racism into E V E R Y T H I N G......

I'm starting a petition to charge BET with Racism...BLACK entertainment television? That's fricken racist
APT? ABORIGINAL people's television?

You do NOT see WPT: white people's TV and if you did? Oh the shitstorm that would happen...

Anyone who thinks Avatar is racist ought to go out to home depot. Find a 24 oz framing hammer, and whack themselves in the head with it. Maybe that will knock some sense into them.

 

[blackrock13]

That was Captain John Smith when she was a child. The only basis for the story is a book that Smith wrote many years later. This is not to say that it is necessarily untrue, but Smith was prone to exaggeration. It is true that she was told he was dead and was shocked to learn he was alive when she and her husband were in England.

Her husband was John Rolfe.

Oops, my bad. You're right.

Rolfe, Smith, close enough, I hate them fureigners!

 

[queens.law]

Oh for fuck sakes...

Its entertainment pure and simple! Does there HAVE to be a sinister underlying "message" in virtually EVERYTHING now-a-days?

Watch the movie, don't watch the movie... IDC, but racist? Give me a fucking break!

I agree, I liked it. The entire movie was entertaining. I didn't get a feeling of racial undertone or overtone or any fuckin tone. It was great, bottom line.

 

[Brandon123]

People that look for racist undertones in every movie are losers. Don't these people have better things to do. Some people are just miserable and have to start shit to make themselves feel better. I'm sure you can find racist themes in every movie every made. Just enjoy the movie, it's just a movie not a hidden message about racism.

 

[nosidam]

IMHO I think people only see what they choose or limit themselves to see. It's like a reflection. I saw how a human became awaken, alive, as one and unified himself, his partner, the navi people, and nature. Obviously the story has been remixed from like dances with wolves, the last samurai...etc. However, he just represents humans. Plus it's hollywood so they have to make a profit. I'm fine as long as they don't star Will Smith saving the world again and again. Dragonball Z starring a white guy as Goku, King Pin or Cat Woman as black in their movies, now that is absurd. Those characters have been orginally asian, and white, and they deliberately changed it.

 

[Brookstone]

I agree: what a crock of shit. it's a goddamn story FFS. Fantasy, on another fricken world.....if you can read racism in this, you can read racism into E V E R Y T H I N G......

I'm starting a petition to charge BET with Racism...BLACK entertainment television? That's fricken racist
APT? ABORIGINAL people's television?

You do NOT see WPT: white people's TV and if you did? Oh the shitstorm that would happen...

Anyone who thinks Avatar is racist ought to go out to home depot. Find a 24 oz framing hammer, and whack themselves in the head with it. Maybe that will knock some sense into them.

I 100% agree with your post tboy.
This whole thing is jokes, but then the media will take what any idiot will have to say just to make a big story out of it. Lovely society.
So can I say Russell Peters is racist? There is no hidden message there, he's telling it to you.

 

[Garden of Eden Ladies]

Ridiculous! Agreed that Cameron's cliched and predictable plot line was largely taken from Pocahontas, but racist? Are we forgetting that the evil people intending to crush the indigenous Na'vi for mining purposes are white, and the protagonist (although white) learns that the goals of the colonists are indeed evil and he rebels against them? It's not a story about an indigenous group being saved from destruction by a white dude - it's a story of a white dude being saved by adapting to the indigenous way of life and not imposing his lifestyle on them, even when it means turning his back on his people.

Thanks exactly how I seen the movie. Only a racist person would find it racist. Would you call the move racist if it were two different alien races instead of it being an alien race vs the white race.. or what if it was a black man who played the lead role. Honestly, I really thought the white guy represented the human race and not the white race.

Fuck the blue Navvi, and all their blue friends.

Me, I was rooting for the white guys all along.

White guys have been taking it up the ass in imaginary kingdoms by imaginary blue characters for generations, and I thought that finally, it was high time that we white guys had our turn.

Notice how there are no white people in Teletubbie land? The Gay guy, the purple (bluiesh) character, (he carries a woman’s handbag) is the largest of the four, clearly the dominant species, and an asshole. He doesn’t speak proper English, and is clearly promoting an anti white, antii-Christian, pro-electronic, faux-benevolent television based technology-cult where white people aren’t welcome. This so-called blue role model, is someone, some thing, about which we should be deeply concerned.

The Smurfs' sharing caring, society, is obviously based on what are essentially communistic principles, with each Smurf contributing to the community based upon his talents, Handy, Brainy, and Nanny Smurf, for example) all communally enjoy the necessities of life, in a cashless economy, putting forward what is clearly one hell of a dangerous and subversive example for our children.
The only white person in the Smurf universe is Gargamel, a wizard who is portrayed as a dick.

Some of you may be too young to remember Huckleberry Hound. Well, I remember him. He's a blue hound dog drawn with a broad clumsy brush as Southern blue trash, for whom an inability to lold a steady job, is just one of his many failings. He’s the hero, however, while white people in contrast are characterized as by being villainous, but inept.

Sonic the Hedgehog , not only promotes a hateful anti-white agenda from video games, but the small screen as well. This ethnic food loving chili dog disordered, blue hedgehog, short tempered, and impatient with creatures who move slower than himself, successfully discriminates against white people in the form of the associates of white scientist Dr. Robotnik.

It's a crying damn shame, and I could go on and on, but my mom says its past my bedtime.

This has to be the funnest post I have read in a long time. Your right its about time the white guy gets a break. Jk

It is indeed a straight retelling of the Pocahantus myth: Natives living in an ideal paradise face destruction at the hands of evil white men but are saved when a better white man joins their culture and teaches them the proper way of doing things.

I don't think he really taught the Na'Vi natives anything they didn't already know. All he did was warn the Na'Vi people about the attack and help unite the people by riding some flying beast, but I am pretty sure the Na'Vi people would have united on their own after the humans started their attack.

What I did see in the movie is examples of what could happen if we allow corporations to continue to destroy our world for their own capital gain. It shows how we as a people can sometimes overlook the raw beauty of our world and how everything is connected in some way.


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Nicole

 

[blackrock13]

I 100% agree with your post tboy.
This whole thing is jokes, but then the media will take what any idiot will have to say just to make a big story out of it. Lovely society.
So can I say Russell Peters is racist? There is no hidden message there, he's telling it to you.

Remember when the Golden Compass was claimed to have religious overtones and it was suggested that a boycott be put in place.

 

[Cinema Face]

There are just some people who see racism in everything and everybody. In many cases, if you get to know these people, you'll find that they're the most racist people of all. I think that the psychology term is called, transferrence. It's when you transfer your thoughts into others.

I pity these people.

 

[Don]

The whole "white guilt" argument has been around forever. BFD. This is a big budget hollywood production with the core target audience aimed at white people. So they have a white western protagonist that the audience can relate to. It's about GREEN.

 

[Adam_hadam]

Notice how there are no white people in Teletubbie land? The Gay guy, the purple (bluiesh) character, (he carries a woman’s handbag) is the largest of the four, clearly the dominant species, and an asshole. He doesn’t speak proper English, and is clearly promoting an anti white, antii-Christian, pro-electronic, faux-benevolent television based technology-cult where white people aren’t welcome. This so-called blue role model, is someone, some thing, about which we should be deeply concerned.
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First of all, welcome to terb Dr. Falwell!

The last time I checked, Tinky-Winky has no discernable genetalia doesn't sleep with the other Teletubbies. His vocab cosists of, "MORE MORE" and "BIG HUG" . Gay? Nope There are white people in the Teletubbies show, the baby and anyone in their little movies. C'mon this is post-apocalyptic Britain.

 

[Adam_hadam]

The last movie where the white guy saved the un-white folks was District 9. Say rot different day though Avatar`s effect are spectacular. I saw Avatar at the IMAX theatre downtown.

 

[tboy]

After thinking about it, apocalypse now was racist too.....all the black soldiers got killed.....muthereffers daring to make that movie......and don't even get me started on saving private ryan, band of brothers, boyz n th' hood, new jack city, and battlestar galactica......

 

[scarlet6969]

people look too deep into things... and blow things way out of context! its a movie peop[le! not real life!!!

now just enjoy the movie lol