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Atheists, rapists top list of people religious believers distrust the most, UBC study

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Religious believers distrust atheists more than they do members of other religious groups, gays or feminists, according to a new study by University of B.C. researchers.

The only group the study's participants distrusted as much as atheists was rapists, said doctoral student Will Gervais, lead author of the study published online in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

That prejudice had a significant effect on what kinds of jobs people said they would hire atheists to do.

"People are willing to hire an atheist for a job that is perceived as low trust, for instance as a waitress," said Gervais.

"But when hiring for a high-trust job like daycare worker, they were like, nope, not going to hire an atheist for that job."

The antipathy does not seem to run both ways, though. Atheists are indifferent to religious belief when it comes to deciding who is trustworthy.

"Atheists don't necessarily favour other atheists over Christians or anyone else," he said. "They seem to think that religion is not an important signal for who you can trust."

The researchers found that religious believers thought that descriptions of untrustworthy people - people who steal or cheat - were more likely to be atheists than Christians, Muslims, Jews, gays or feminists.

Gervais was surprised that people harbour such strong feelings about a group that is hard to see or identify. He opines that religious believers are just more comfortable with other people who believe a deity with the power to reward and punish is watching them.

"If you believe your behaviour is being watched [by God] you are going to be on your best behaviour," said Gervais. "But that wouldn't apply for an atheist. That would allow people to use religious belief as a signal for how trustworthy a person is."

Religious belief is known to have a variety of social functions. Past research has found that common religious beliefs can promote cooperation within groups.

Gervais started his line of inquiry about the exclusion of atheists after seeing a Gallup poll that suggested the majority of Americans would not vote for an atheist presidential candidate. Gervais and his colleagues conducted a series of six studies on a group of 350 American adults and a group 420 UBC students.

But even in more secular Canada, distrust of atheists ran high.

"We see consistently strong effects," he said.

"Even here in Vancouver, our student participants still say atheists are really untrustworthy."

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In the laboratory.
I wonder where televangelists rank on the religious believers' trust list.

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At least I have the good taste to post this kind of stuff in the political section.

Anyways I read about this study a few days ago on another site that gave a lot more insight into how the study was conducted and conclusions arrived at. If you look at the questioning and how it is set up you will see that the conclusions come from a profound cynicism about human nature and that the rapist analogy has just about nothing to do with it.

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2011/11/atheists-and-rapists-you-just-cant.html
 

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At least I have the good taste to post this kind of stuff in the political section.

Anyways I read about this study a few days ago on another site that gave a lot more insight into how the study was conducted and conclusions arrived at. If you look at the questioning and how it is set up you will see that the conclusions come from a profound cynicism about human nature and that the rapist analogy has just about nothing to do with it.

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2011/11/atheists-and-rapists-you-just-cant.html
There's nothing political about fairytale believers not trusting those who refuse to believe as they do.

What is truly cynical is imagining that only a watchful God can keep you honest and trustworthy; that on their own people are liars, cheats and thieves by nature. As if a divine creator would be that inept or malign.

I give thanks to whatever god stopped me from inserting a comparison of that belief to the basic assumptions of the priesthood of economics.
 

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if they had any brains, they would distrust the religious leaders who constantly lie to them
 

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"If you believe your behaviour is being watched [by God] you are going to be on your best behaviour," said Gervais. "But that wouldn't apply for an atheist. That would allow people to use religious belief as a signal for how trustworthy a person is."
Yeah, some of us don't need the threat of punishment to act morally. I believe that applies to religious people as well.
 

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if they had any brains, they would distrust the religious leaders who constantly lie to them
It does make you wonder about those who trust an invisible god to make the guy they're talking to believable. Not that the god actually does anything. If the guy they're talking to is as deluded as they, that's good enough for them.

Or so they say. But can you believe them? Gotta have faith it seems.
 

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What is truly cynical is imagining that only a watchful God can keep you honest and trustworthy;
In that sense God is comparable to (Freud's?) superego.
 

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What is truly cynical is imagining that only a watchful God can keep you honest and trustworthy; that on their own people are liars, cheats and thieves by nature. As if a divine creator would be that inept or malign.
that was my point exactly.
 

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I have no more faith in a superego than in a god, though both constructs seem to have been useful at getting their believers over rough patches in their understanding of the world and themselves. But I believe both myths have also been exploded, or so the anti-s claim.

What is unproven is that anyone needs more than knowledge and awareness of themselves and of how the world works to behave responsibly and be worthy of trust. Let alone that such knowledge is available.
 

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I've read that in Quebec an Anglo has less chance of being elected premier than an Atheist does being Prez in the US


From the movie Airheads.

Chazz: Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
Chris Moore: Lemmy.
[Rex imitates a game show buzzer]
Chris Moore: ... God?
Rex: Wrong, dickhead, trick question. Lemmy *IS* God.

I suppose there would be worst things to worship, at least Lemmy does exist. I am also given to understand that he rocks and does not claim to have the blood of thousands if not millions on his hands.

 

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I've read that in Quebec an Anglo has less chance of being elected premier than an Atheist does being Prez in the US


From the movie Airheads.

Chazz: Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
Chris Moore: Lemmy.
[Rex imitates a game show buzzer]
Chris Moore: ... God?
Rex: Wrong, dickhead, trick question. Lemmy *IS* God.

I suppose there would be worst things to worship, at least Lemmy does exist. I am also given to understand that he rocks and does not claim to have the blood of thousands if not millions on his hands.

I've seen him. He rocks. Lemmy that is.
 

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I've read that in Quebec an Anglo has less chance of being elected premier than an Atheist does being Prez in the US …edit
Trick question: Was Daniel Johnson an anglophone? Nixon was a Quaker (a popular name for a group that abhors crosses as religious symbols), so did that make him a Christian or an atheist?

Now here's the trick: why should any one of us care?
 

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Trick question: Was Daniel Johnson an anglophone? Nixon was a Quaker (a popular name for a group that abhors crosses as religious symbols), so did that make him a Christian or an atheist?

There was a time when the Quakers were scorned by mainstream Christians.
Thomas Paine who who was a Quaker was known for his famous attack on the Bible.
Nonetheless Quaker beliefs are closer to deism than atheism. Today they are probably
more or less regarded as unorthodox Christians

As an aside Herbert Hoover was another U.S. president who was a Quaker. I don't
think being a Quaker is an issue in U.S. politics.
 

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Trick question: Was Daniel Johnson an anglophone? ...Now here's the trick: why should any one of us care?
until January 1994, when he became leader of the Quebec Liberal Party and Premier of Quebec following the resignation of Liberal leader Robert Bourassa. He then lost the 1994 provincial election to Jacques Parizeau of the Parti Québécois.

Thanks for proving my point if he was an anglophone, he never got elected and lost the moment it went to the general public.

As for why any of us should care. If they had a poll and it was found out that a majority would never elect a Chinese, Indian or a Jew for Premier the shit would hit the fan. When it comes to anglos you are right, nobody gives a fuck, you can do to them stuff which if applied to any other group would bring forth a shitstorm of epic proportions.

As far as I am concerned this double standard is fucking bullshit.
 

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BTW I fully agree with not trusting rapists. Walking around with pants down to their knees, all that "bling", talking funny with bitch this nigger that. Trust them about as much as punkists.
 
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