asking a MP for her number/on a date

[GPIDEAL]

From doing all of the above I've learned a lot about escorts. In fact I've even had to have an unplanned and unexpected overnight with an escort who felt a need to unload her true feelings to me. For the benefit of others I'll share the lessons I've learned. The consistent conclusions I've come up with are:

1) they're no different than any other woman in their 20s.
2) in spite of their sexy persona sometimes, inside they're still women who long for true love and acceptance.
3) They themselves get confused and do so easier than you think if you're a true gentleman and treat them as such.
4) they can develop crushes on johns, even when there is complete disclosure of pertinent details.
5) they cry over and are as vulnerable to feeling unwanted as any other woman I've had a relationship with.
6). They desire just as much as we do to meet someone they have good chemistry with when a john walks through their door.
7) they want someone they can trust, respect, and talk to freely... Free from judgement just like any other person out there.

I agree it is hard to tell unless you've spent several days with someone.

Totally agree with your observations.

 

[Gingerbeard]

As my boss once said about asking for a raise: "The worst you'll hear is no."

 

[ValerieSecret]

I didn't realize every guy tries to pick you girls up though. I find this a little odd as I imagine most guys are like me and not available anyway and hence the entire reason for hobbying.

Minor exaggeration! Not every. However the number of proposals does still include married/taken men. Everyone handles things differently my dear!

I used to give my number out when I had good chemistry with a client, if they did not have it already (like when I was indy) -- mostly to ensure we kept in contact so they would know when i'd be available, or if they were to bring something for example. But then the texts to meet for coffee, dinner etc start. Just to hang out, because we get along so well. Married men. Not saying I understand this at all.. just saying it happens!

 

[Titalian]

what a seriously messed up post. Wow. Take your own advice.

Actually , this is one F/U thread !

 

[pablice]

I admitted before I have issues...that one paragraph is laced with many things experienced or disucssed on terb from previous posts going about 1.5 years back especially some conversations with guys due to other posts, and two other peoples experience I have discussed in great depths, and my own experience. I know it is fucked up, I know it is raw but it is part of what this community is about and highlights the truth of how we feel sometimes, not saying it is right to feel like that but it is the truth even if it hurts. We can not control what we think or feel, we can only control our actions and what we do. Why do you think I picked that song especially with the last "footprint being mine"...you may not see it like that or may have lost faith in me which I am aware of from before, however I think you are misunderstanding my point in that post...regardless if you believe me or not, I care.

If I said something to hurt you I am sorry, that was not the intention of my post. Maybe I should not post for a short while until I get my self back. I think it might be the best...although I can't promise I won't lurk...yeah I reread your post again and get it now...you know I hold you in high regard even though you may think I am a big ass....

what a seriously messed up post. Wow. Take your own advice.

 

[Born2Star]

From doing all of the above I've learned a lot about escorts. In fact I've even had to have an unplanned and unexpected overnight with an escort who felt a need to unload her true feelings to me. For the benefit of others I'll share the lessons I've learned. The consistent conclusions I've come up with are:

1) they're no different than any other woman in their 20s.
2) in spite of their sexy persona sometimes, inside they're still women who long for true love and acceptance.
3) They themselves get confused and do so easier than you think if you're a true gentleman and treat them as such.
4) they can develop crushes on johns, even when there is complete disclosure of pertinent details.
5) they cry over and are as vulnerable to feeling unwanted as any other woman I've had a relationship with.
6). They desire just as much as we do to meet someone they have good chemistry with when a john walks through their door.
7) they want someone they can trust, respect, and talk to freely... Free from judgement just like any other person out there.

I agree it is hard to tell unless you've spent several days with someone.

Well said and similar experience here. The themselves getting confused part is spot on. What I see here is that it'll take A LOT of patience if you want to develop even just a genuine friendship. Even if you meet the quality of being a very open, trusting and respectful friend the fact that we meet in such a premise is putting a monumental challenge to it to start with.

At the end no matter how good we come across, the ball is in her court. :-(

 

[stay]

Well said and similar experience here. The themselves getting confused part is spot on. What I see here is that it'll take A LOT of patience if you want to develop even just a genuine friendship. Even if you meet the quality of being a very open, trusting and respectful friend the fact that we meet in such a premise is putting a monumental challenge to it to start with.

At the end no matter how good we come across, the ball is in her court. :-(

For most male-female relationships the balls are always in her court.
For the ladies, it may be that the man is enjoying an enriched lifestyle through her earnings and as time marches on, may lose favour with said partnership.

 

[foxxxy lady]

No different from asking any other girl out IMHO.

i agree,

xo amber

 

[foxxxy lady]

what a seriously messed up post. Wow. Take your own advice.

I agree lol, cutie pe

xo amber

 

[TeasePlease]

what a seriously messed up post. Wow. Take your own advice.

Youll have to excuse Pabby. He's into cerebral sadism.

 

[stay]

I don't think so. If you truly understand the dynamics of that particular woman you're dating you can always hold the ball in your court. This does require some thought and maneuvering though.

If you want to be happy you'll let her hold the balls, or at least let her believe she has a firm grip on them.

 

[Titalian]

Pablice is ok, he just got to close to the fire. And is warning us of the repercussions.
What he said, in general, is don't be expectant, and please be aware of what your getting
yourself involved in. But my thoughts are, that would be true of any close relationship.

 

[stay]

Lol that may actually be why I'm so miserable at home and at work. Lol. I don't take kindly to others telling me what to do.

It is a great feeling, walking around and people telling you to "grow a pair".

I don't think it is wise to seek a relationship with a sex worker but shit happens. There are many other factors like is she straight up with you or do you find out about her vocation. through a third party. That brings a new dynamic into the relationship. So in a sense, it may be wiser for a lady to have a relationship with a client, they both just have to get past that client-provider relationship.

 

[Serpent]

It is a great feeling, walking around and people telling you to "grow a pair".

I don't think it is wise to seek a relationship with a sex worker but shit happens. There are many other factors like is she straight up with you or do you find out about her vocation. through a third party. That brings a new dynamic into the relationship. So in a sense, it may be wiser for a lady to have a relationship with a client, they both just have to get past that client-provider relationship.

That is one big part of it but to those of you presuming these women are "same as any 20-30 year old"

a. The other 20 year olds, a lot of them are living a life of sacrifice and delayed gratification. Psychologists have done studies on importance of delayed gratification and correlation to a successful life - chicks who take the subway day in and day out and not fancy cars or expensive dinners with old clients are not the same as sex workers who chose this line of work for an easy life.

b. Some of these women are emotionally empty. It's not a hit on them - it's an unfortunate reality. Men are a means to an end, they are dependent on a man to come back again and again to see them. It's how they make their basic living. This will affect their relationships too.

c. Lying could come easier to a person given to living a double life. If 10,000 hours is supposed to make one a pro, will a sex worker who lies to her immediate family lie to a SO without guilt and as easily? Possibly.

"regular" girls have their issues too, no doubt. But there's some things common to sex workers and let's not presume otherwise.

 

[Ridgeman08]

No different from asking any other girl out IMHO.

Depends. If you have a current "provider/ client" relationship, this is easier said than done. And the ball is clearly in her court. And she has to be clear and honest about her intentions so there is no misunderstanding. If the client is comfortable with the provider's honesty and candor it may work, but both have to be very accepting and honest. (I guess that in a way is no different than any other relationship... )

i agree,

Me too, if my above comments are taken into consideration.

So in a sense, it may be wiser for a lady to have a relationship with a client, they both just have to get past that client-provider relationship.

Exactly.

That is one big part of it but to those of you presuming these women are "same as any regular girl"

I changed that to "regular girl" so as to not put an age to the provider since age is immaterial...

a. The other women, a lot of them are living a life of sacrifice and delayed gratification. Psychologists have done studies on importance of delayed gratification and correlation to a successful life - chicks who take the subway day in and day out and not fancy cars or expensive dinners with old clients are not the same as sex workers who chose this line of work for an easy life.

Different argument entirely... privileged vs work for a living... Or in the case of an SP, fantasy vs reality.

b. Some of these women are emotionally empty. It's not a hit on them - it's an unfortunate reality. Men are a means to an end, they are dependent on a man to come back again and again to see them. It's how they make their basic living. This will affect their relationships too.

Men can be just as emotionally empty. A quick read through this thread is evidence enough of that!

c. Lying could come easier to a person given to living a double life. If 10,000 hours is supposed to make one a pro, will a sex worker who lies to her immediate family lie to a SO without guilt and as easily? Possibly.

Men are just as guilty of running a double life! Again, a quick read though many of the threads on this forum will tell you that. Lying is NOT gender specific.

"regular" girls have their issues too, no doubt. But there's some things common to sex workers and let's not presume otherwise.

I used to think this as well... but in the past few years, I've been "dating" a number of women that know I am not "exclusive" to them. I refer to them as FB or FWB instead of "GF". We go out for dinner, maybe dancing or some other activity and have some fun, including a fair amount of sex as well of course, but its just an escape for them and myself from our otherwise busy lives. One is married, so she goes back to her hubby. One is a single mom, and doesn't have time for a relationship, and one knows she is emotionally "unstable" so we keep it casual. We have some fun, its an escape, a fantasy with a time line so to speak... I am aware of their situation, and they are of mine. In that respect, I suppose it is very similar to an SP/ client relationship...

At the end of the day, if everyone involved is getting what they want, is honest with themselves as well as their partner(s) and no one gets hurt, its all good.

 

[Serpent]

Fair enough and like I said - "regular girls" might not be the most stable either which is why it is so hard to find "good people" to date. But 5 years/10,000 hours of lying because that's a job requirement and being in a circle of friends/co-workers who consider lying okay and acceptable to use men for purposes of money can't do someone good from a relationship perspective. At some point, it has to become a character trait.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Fair enough and like I said - "regular girls" might not be the most stable either which is why it is so hard to find "good people" to date. But 5 years/10,000 hours of lying because that's a job requirement and being in a circle of friends/co-workers who consider lying okay and acceptable to use men for purposes of money can't do someone good from a relationship perspective. At some point, it has to become a character trait.

You might be right...

Still, I think it depends on the individual. While it is true, SP's are regular women as well, its not fair to lump them all together. Perhaps the odds are greater for that to happen given the nature of their vocation, especially if the SP is younger and more "impressionable".

 

[Serpent]

I agree. And I'm definitely seeing a difference between strippers and SPs. The former are just outright masters of deception and lying. SPs I find to be more upfront and honest. Wonder why?

 

[stay]

I agree. And I'm definitely seeing a difference between strippers and SPs. The former are just outright masters of deception and lying. SPs I find to be more upfront and honest. Wonder why?

It depends on the venue. While we are in the Grey zone in regards to the laws, there has been a shift in offerings available at strip clubs . There was a time when a girl may be going to uni and strip to pay for it, not so much nowadays.
, search rub n tug, stripper or escort. You'll find that their answer is about money. Fair enough, but there is a trade-off. What guy wants to be with a girl that has served as many guys as McDonalds has served hamburgers. The guy that wants the money too, possibly, what will it be when those tight 19 year olds are entering the biz and she is in her mid thirties?
For him, maybe trade-in, because it was about the money to start and those 19 year olds can easily earn the coin.

 

[surferboy]

Well Kirk with a 100+ replies did you get enough advice on this lol. It seems we have about a dozen resident Dr Phil's on here.

Its pretty simple bud.Ask her next time your there for her number.If she says no,respect that & move on.

If she says yes,ask her out for a drink sometime & see where it goes. If you want a qwik way totell if she's into you,go somewhere classy for a few drinks & when the bill comes tell her you forgot your wallet in the car.If she says np i got it,your golden.If she frowns in any way you can assume your a meal ticket.No charge for my small town boy logic lol