Short of talking to a few thousand people and taping their interviews just for you, i suspect you're probably not going to get your wish Fugo. It's a survey of approximately a 1000 people and like all other survey has a few shortcomings, but IR has been doing it for along time so it's pretty good at drawing a true picture of the situation.
Are your policies undermined by statistics? Scrap the census!
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Easy on the assumptions Fuji. You're not that good at them, especially this one. It's safe to say if they didn't do it, that's because they didn't care, but the figure was only around 25%. You're up to your usual standards today.Your online poll shows that people who are lower income or younger are more likely not to fill it out--I presume because they are lazier and care less. That's when asked their opinion. Opinions are cheap. Let's look at actions.
When actually given a long form census to fill out only 166 people out of 12 million complained about having to do so.
And once again you're being disagreeable without actually disagreeing with anything.Easy on the assumptions Fuji. You're not that good at them, especially this one. It's safe to say if they didn't do it, that's because they didn't care, but the figure was only around 25%. You're up to your usual standards today.
Wha? 25% is not 'more likely'.And once again you're being disagreeable without actually disagreeing with anything.
My family did it a few years ago. We didn't "complain" about it, but trust me it was not a pleasant experience. We will not be happy if we have to do it again.Do you have any evidence of this widespread dislike? I've heard that some 50 people nation wide complained about it. I wouldn't call that widespread, other than perhaps in the sense that they might have been spread widely around the country. You know, one might have been in PEI, and another on Vancouver Island. Wide spread in that sense.
That might well be true, certainly one would hope so. But according to the article I read and personal experience a lot of people share Tangwhich's sentiments. And it may be that the Government reacted to that. As I say the U.S. Census has very much gone down the same path, and that was under the Obama Administration.If people understood the multi-billion dollar public AND private sector decisions made using census data as a starting point, they would fill the forms out faster.
There are other ways to gather the data. Having a mandatory form with penalties ranging from a fine to jail time is absurd. The government has no business knowing my business beyond my taxable income and the number of people in my household. They have no right to how many bedrooms, bathrooms, religion, non religion, etc.
I'm glad the change was made. If I choose to give the information, then the government can have it. I will not be forced to.
I'm glad the change was made. If I choose to give the information, then the government can have it. I will not be forced to.
You have a naive trust in your government if you think that all they know. It's too late for that to be changed now. As far as the other facts you quote how do you think decisions on denominational schools, water treatment, mail delivery, and such are made. They just pull the stuff out of the air or what. You're probably not old enough to remember but we use to get mail delivered twice a day where I grew up.There are other ways to gather the data. Having a mandatory form with penalties ranging from a fine to jail time is absurd. The government has no business knowing my business beyond my taxable income and the number of people in my household. They have no right to how many bedrooms, bathrooms, religion, non religion, etc.
I'm glad the change was made. If I choose to give the information, then the government can have it. I will not be forced to.
There are other ways, but they're not as efficient and are more prone to error. You know, too many cooks spoil the soup. It's figured by those who know, not these part time ministers, that if the census goes to voluntary, the return rate will be around 50%, not 90%+ as it is now and the information will be suspect. They make mistakes with the right information imagine the mistake that will be made with suspect data.
I love it when the government pulls out the fact that Britain has done this and the sky hasn't fallen, except that Britain had one of the worse data bases in the G8 to start with and it got worse.
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Another gem MV. Sooooooo?Lysander Spooner needed no census, but his American Letter Mail Company competed successfully against the US Post Office,
that is successfully in the free market sense; the feds restored their coercive monopoly by ordering him to stop.
You have described the census as being necessary for government decision making on mail delivery, and I don't think that a census is necessary for the efficient delivery of mail.
I think that free market competition leads to greater efficiency (than coercive monopoly plus involuntary census) in the delivery of goods and services that customers want as they voluntarily choose to deal with competitng goods and services providers who best serve their needs.
I have provided Lysander Spooner's company as an example of a private mail company that, without a census, competed successfully on the free market against the US postal service until the feds denied the free market and restored a coercive monopoly.
I think that free market competition leads to greater efficiency (than coercive monopoly plus involuntary census) in the delivery of goods and services that customers want as they voluntarily choose to deal with competitng goods and services providers who best serve their needs.
I have provided Lysander Spooner's company as an example of a private mail company that, without a census, competed successfully on the free market against the US postal service until the feds denied the free market and restored a coercive monopoly.
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The US had their first census around 1790 and Lysander Mail was established in 1844. What make you think they didn't use the information available to develop the company?
The US had their first census around 1790 and Lysander Mail was established in 1844. What make you think they didn't use the information available to develop the company?
They wouldn't have had "long form" census information that's for sure.The US had their first census around 1790 and Lysander Mail was established in 1844. What make you think they didn't use the information available to develop the company?
The 1840 U.S. Census asked:
Name of head of household
Number of free white males and females in the household in age categories (five years to age 20 and then 10 years from there to age 100)
number of deaf, dumb, blind and insane persons and also aliens living in the household Also the number in school, and the number in family over age twenty-one who could not read and write.
Town or district and County of Residence
Also it asked the the ages of Revolutionary War pensioners and the number of individuals engaged in mining, agriculture, commerce, manufacturing and trade, navigation of the ocean, navigation of canals, lakes and rivers, learned professions and engineers.
Number of slaves and free “colored” persons by age categories
They wouldn't have had "long form" census information that's for sure.
The 1840 U.S. Census asked:
Name of head of household
Number of free white males and females in the household in age categories (five years to age 20 and then 10 years from there to age 100)
number of deaf, dumb, blind and insane persons and also aliens living in the household Also the number in school, and the number in family over age twenty-one who could not read and write.
Town or district and County of Residence
Also it asked the the ages of Revolutionary War pensioners and the number of individuals engaged in mining, agriculture, commerce, manufacturing and trade, navigation of the ocean, navigation of canals, lakes and rivers, learned professions and engineers.
Number of slaves and free “colored” persons by age categories
That was it? Yet wasn't that a time when you actually knew who your neighbours were. They didn't need a big one. How about the later ones when there was more to be concerned about. Life is a little more complex now. Wouldn't you say?
Aaaahhh, the good old days, eh aardie??They wouldn't have had "long form" census information that's for sure.
The 1840 U.S. Census asked:
Name of head of household
Number of free white males and females in the household in age categories (five years to age 20 and then 10 years from there to age 100)
number of deaf, dumb, blind and insane persons and also aliens living in the household Also the number in school, and the number in family over age twenty-one who could not read and write.
Town or district and County of Residence
Also it asked the the ages of Revolutionary War pensioners and the number of individuals engaged in mining, agriculture, commerce, manufacturing and trade, navigation of the ocean, navigation of canals, lakes and rivers, learned professions and engineers.
Number of slaves and free “colored” persons by age categories
As L.P. Hartley famously wrote "The past is a foreign country".Aaaahhh, the good old days, eh aardie??
Both the U.S.A. and British North America (five separate colonies and a corporate concession) would not be particularly familiar places in the 1840s.
I've done it too, and if you consider that an unpleasant experience, then my opinion is that you are a fragile and easily shaken individual who probably should think twice before venturing out doors.My family did it a few years ago. We didn't "complain" about it, but trust me it was not a pleasant experience. We will not be happy if we have to do it again.
