Are men frustrated from not enough sex in our society?

[evilbaga]

Wow, you guys are amazing - seriously, you spend more time talking about cock and ass and gayness than any of my gay friends do. Anyone ever wonder why that is? Sheesh.

Some things to consider:

- Men (and women) are having a lot more sex these days than at any time in the past. Sex - especially sex for pleasure - used to be reserved for the rich and powerful, while most people barely had any sex at all for their entire lives.

I read a book review that stated that a full 20% of the women in London, England were hookers in the 1800's.

Ancient greece (Athens) also actually subsidized prostitution so the men would never be in need of sex (and they were the most productive culture in human history). You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Don Draper]

Two words of the original thread title should simply be re-located:

[SIZE=+2]Are men frustrated in not enough sex from our society?[/SIZE]

 

[james t kirk]

I read a book review that stated that a full 20% of the women in London, England were hookers in the 1800's.

Ancient greece (Athens) also actually subsidized prostitution so the men would never be in need of sex (and they were the most productive culture in human history). You have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe that is a solution for Greece's current debt problems.

 

[LKD]

Ancient greece (Athens) also actually subsidized prostitution so the men would never be in need of sex (and they were the most productive culture in human history). You have no idea what you are talking about.

I think society would be a much better and productive place if it wasn't so hard to obtain sex. People, or should I say men, spend too much time frustrated, on their computers and wondering where/how they'll get their next fix. If it was readily available, people would get it done, and focus on better things to do.

 

[Rockslinger]

If it was readily available, people would get it done, and focus on better things to do.

But, then we would have 30,000 unemployed peace officers no longer needed to fight the crime of consensual adult sex. How will these officers support their families if they are unemployed?

 

[Rockslinger]

This has happened to me so many times, especially in my younger days, that I doubt it is accidental. Girls and young women love to tease by "accidentally" exposing some (or all) of their girly bits.

 

[Brill]

But, then we would have 30,000 unemployed peace officers no longer needed to fight the crime of consensual adult sex. How will these officers support their families if they are unemployed?

They could become administrators, making sure every person has been doled out the correct portion of sex from women or men.

 

[rld]

Wow, you guys are amazing - seriously, you spend more time talking about cock and ass and gayness than any of my gay friends do. Anyone ever wonder why that is? Sheesh.

Some things to consider:

- Men (and women) are having a lot more sex these days than at any time in the past. Sex - especially sex for pleasure - used to be reserved for the rich and powerful, while most people barely had any sex at all for their entire lives. Most of our time was spent trying to get enough food to survive, and people lived in much smaller communities, with fewer options. Sex is considerably more common than it ever has been before, and that's also because of things like condoms and the pill - sex and procreation are no longer inherently linked, which has allowed women to enjoy sex without worrying about getting knocked up.

- Sexuality is always defined in the context of the era in which we live. People with PVC or leather fetishes (I'm sure there are more than a few on here) couldn't have had those fetishes before the creation of PVC or the widespread use of leather, so it's impossible to say that someone was "born" with a PVC fetish. People definitely have intrinsic inclinations towards different people of different genders, but to say that someone's sexuality is entirely and exclusively hard-wired from birth is a pretty ridiculous statement. Who pops out of the womb with a PVC fetish?

- The word "homosexual" is only about 150 years old; before then, nobody was even considered to have a sexual identity of any kind. Sex was something you just "did" and didn't necessarily reflect who you "are" as a person.

- Sexuality changes over time, both for society in general and for individual people. Some people might limit themselves to certain types of acts from their first experience until their last, but most people have explored a variety of sexual tastes, desires and behaviours throughout their lives. Experimentation and variety do not inevitably lead to a change in how one labels themselves, and most of those labels are only for the benefit of other people who want to make everything as simple as can be (pretty common occurence over here, that's for sure).

- If you really believe that a guy who has had 1000 sexual experiences with women, yet sucked one cock out of curiosity, is "homosexual" or "gay" because of it, then you really need to open your eyes to the possibility of fluidity. That's like saying a guy who's eaten 1000 hambugers, yet just ate one piece of celery, is somehow a vegetarian.

- For all the gay sex that you guys talk about, you should really ask yourselves why you care so damned much what other people do, or what they should call themselves. If you were all as 100% straight as you claim, it wouldn't even be worth your time to think about it, let alone post about it.

It is a pleasure to have some input from someone who has clearly studied this issue. While I have not studied human sexuality the way you have, I have studied a lot of history and have to disagree with some of what you have said.

- while PVC is new, there was been a widespread use of leather for a looooong time.

- while the word homosexuality may only be young, the idea that sexual identity in european culture is very recent is not true. The sexuality of individuals, particularly men has been the subject of cultural and social comment for as long as written history. For instance, the Romans, while not constructing sexuality the way we do, viewed people as insertor or insertees. For a man it was irrelevant what you fucked (man, woman or boy) as long as you were delivering. Men who received were viewed as weak and defective. Julius Caesar was haunted by the accusation he had been the homosexual lover of a foreign potentate. Once Christianity became dominant, in most periods, homosexuality was viewed as bad. Even though Richard the Lionheart had sex with men, he later confessed it publically as a sin and was criticized for it. You can see the same thing in the view of washerwomen in the middle ages. Anyways, for all of written history, almost every european culture viewed your sexual habits as integral to your value as a person.

- I don't think experimentation is a broad as you suggest it is. Would love to see the numbers.

- I think your hamburger/celery analogy is really powerful and bang on.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

How can a guy be frustrated as long as he has 2 good hands. Ummmmm, really you only need one good hand.

And if you don't have any good hands you shouldn't have a problem finding at least one sympathetic woman per day to suck your dick. She'll even wash it first.

 

[Rockslinger]

They could become administrators, making sure every person has been doled out the correct portion of sex from women or men.

Oh no, another damn government bureacracy. They call: "Mr. Brill, have you had your quota of sex this month?"

 

[evilbaga]

I think society would be a much better and productive place if it wasn't so hard to obtain sex. People, or should I say men, spend too much time frustrated, on their computers and wondering where/how they'll get their next fix. If it was readily available, people would get it done, and focus on better things to do.

Actually, I have an evopsych friend... hes studied history extensively. According to him - cultures generally follow a 600-800 year cycle. Thing is, whenever they are rising - prostitution is widespread and accepted (as in no shame or taboo). When they are declining - they are like us (or worse the USA - where its actually illegal).

Also, in rising cultures - women generally divide themselves into two categories - either they become wives (chaste until marriage then loyal to their husband) or prostitutes. There is very little in between 'sluts' that is so common these days.

 

[irresistibles]

Perhaps it doesn't have anything to do with why people's sexual identities are what they are...

Consider that there are very few busy male escorts for women.... it's usually men who feel comfortable, socially and physically, chasing the opposite sex for sex only...lots of people say that guys think about sex more than women...so it might be COMPLETELY NORMAL that gay men are very comfortable...even more comfortable than heterosexuals... online finding sexual partners. You also have to consider the social aspect...that a guy online has a secret identity and doesn't have to take a chance on the guy being straight at the bar...and then punching him out...even if all he meant was to compliment the guy for being so goodlookin'!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!

 

[FatOne]

Like the most logical of races, we should only be allowed to and must have sex only once every 7 years. Granted for many of you it would result in much less breeding, for some of us it would result in much much more. Also it would get rid of that 1% crap that those occupy retards keep complaining about.

 

[rld]

Actually, I have an evopsych friend... hes studied history extensively. According to him - cultures generally follow a 600-800 year cycle. Thing is, whenever they are rising - prostitution is widespread and accepted (as in no shame or taboo). When they are declining - they are like us (or worse the USA - where its actually illegal).

Also, in rising cultures - women generally divide themselves into two categories - either they become wives (chaste until marriage then loyal to their husband) or prostitutes. There is very little in between 'sluts' that is so common these days.

I think your friend's view of history has been a bit warped by their political views. I would suggest no such patterns exist. Unless you backwards define progress based on a result you want. I would even question where these 600-800 years cycles.

 

[evilbaga]

Possibly, or...you dont know your history.

There are a few exceptions to the pattern...the Roman Empire was one. And it was an exception because its leaders always came from the more conservative provinces, became debauched and were replaced decades later by new leaders who bought their culture with them.

 

[rld]

Possibly, or...you dont know your history.

There are a few exceptions to the pattern...the Roman Empire was one. And it was an exception because its leaders always came from the more conservative provinces, became debauched and were replaced decades later by new leaders who bought their culture with them.

I know my history very well.

But take for instance the United States, or Britain, during their rise they were quite conservative in nature and prostitution was never open or accepted. You can say the same thing for Europe in the middle ages. How about the rise of the Ottoman Empire, was prostitution open or accepted?

In fact why don't you tell me about how this 600-800 year "cycle" can be identified, and which eras were considered rising and then we can actually look at the issue. Pick let's say five or ten cultures, tell me when the cycle was and what part was rising. Then we can have a detailed conversation about it.

By the way...evopysch is very controversial field. I can tell you with some certainty that its predecessor pyscho-history has been quietly buried.

 

[Rockslinger]

I think this energy efficient stuff is a lot of bullcrap. Here is an example. My old washing machine died 3 years ago after 25 years of faithful service. It would wash a load in 20 minutes using 10 litres of water. This new "energy efficient" washing machine takes 56 minutes and 40 litres of water to wash the same load.

 

[spraggamuffin]

If you can adapt well to the whole machinery of repression and engage the "protestant ethic" while concentrating your efforts instead towards positive and productive things for just a wee bit,

you can still come out laughing in the end as you are rewarded with loads of money.

It's no secret that pussy is a commodity and has always been, the price varies/fluctuates from woman to woman and some women are just better at hiding the fact that they are a Ho better than others.

 

[NoFatties]

Har.

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

Said like a true repressed Gay ! I don't like guys sucking my dick and if I post that fact it's some how an insult to gay guys - why ???

You like BJ's with guys, frolicking with nude men - good for you - I don't attack you for it. Why is heterosexual behavior so threatening to you? Years ago people would be threatened by Tboy and I couldn't figure why people cared. Now heterosexuals can't talk about their preferences - weird !

BTW: Heterosexuals can't be trained to like homosexual encounters. Our sexual preference is not a product of our upbringing or training - it's genetic ! Sound familiar ?

 

[zz000ter]

NoFatties - +1

We can start a Hetero support group