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Are looks subjective?

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Why ?

It is ALL subjective. It is your own taste. How would answer to someone telling you you're not "right" because you do not like hamburger ????
That's personal so same apply to how you find men/women.

You like someone that other will not. There is nothing wrong with that...
 
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symmetry, proportions, and ratio
 
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Why ?

It is ALL subjective. It is your own taste. How would answer to someone telling you you're not "right" because you do not like hamburger ????
That's personal so same apply to how you find men/women.

You like someone that other will not. There is nothing wrong with that...
That's why I said there's a degree to which it is highly objective. Professional models for example or even so called ig models these days have all something in common, they're not overweight and fairly youthful. We could say that it attracts 90% of people and the rest 10% aren't affected by it. It's still the majority.
 
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ratio, say chest to waist to hip. I suppose similar or same as proportions
 

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There are some broad trends that tend to repeat and lots and lots of details and specific that are pretty subjective.
 

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There's gotta be some degree of objectivity, right?
No, not really.

Consider the ideal of beauty in North America in the 50's, 80's and right now and you'll see three vastly different sets of characteristics. Expand the timeline and include regions outside of North America and the results will be even more disparate. And in both of those considerations you're still amalgamating the ideals of many subgroups.

That's why I said there's a degree to which it is highly objective. Professional models for example or even so called ig models these days have all something in common, they're not overweight and fairly youthful. We could say that it attracts 90% of people and the rest 10% aren't affected by it. It's still the majority.
No, you can't say that, because you just pulled the numbers 90% and 10% out of thin air.
 
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No, not really.

Consider the ideal of beauty in North America in the 50's, 80's and right now and you'll see three vastly different sets of characteristics. Expand the timeline and include regions outside of North America and the results will be even more disparate. And in both of those considerations you're still amalgamating the ideals of many subgroups.


No, you can't say that, because you just pulled the numbers 90% and 10% out of thin air.
What characteristics? That they are all thin, slim and youthful? Loool

If you look at the subgroups, im assuming you mean other ethnic groups, you'll still find that they sell and define beauty with the same standards as today.

Actually, it wasn't quite thin air, tinder results proved that attractive people get more matches. Something like Top 10% of men get the most swipes and the same for the most attractive women.
 

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There is a slight diverse to the standards we placed upon defining beauty these days. The body positivity movement is changing that. However, when it comes to choosing escorts, and mates through tinder, we still go for these characteristics based off looks
 

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I'd say all subjective.

On a base level, I prefer tiny, short women. But often, I am attracted to bigger girls, no idea why.
Enhanced anything is a big turn-off for me but I had good experiences with a few, when I had good chemistry with them before sex.
Some would not even think of saying a woman is sexy unless she has double D's. Most of the time, for me those are a negative point.
I am attracted the most to tiny black women, even if my experience with them have always been somewhat boring.
Some guys here ask questions about some escorts that, in my views, you would pay me and I wouldn't have sex with them. Not that they are ugly, they are not triggering any attraction in me. They might even be exactly my type but something turns me off.
In real life, I've met women I'm not attracted to at all but enjoy their company a lot. The flip side is, I've met other I would not spend any social time with, not even a minute, but I would have sex with them anytime.

A big part of what we consider "good looks" is the result of long term social conditioning: the environment the person is raised into.
Look at what's considered beautiful around the world and it's easy to see
  • Some tribes in Africa likes women with "plates" in their lower lips, the bigger the plate, the more beautiful it is.
  • In North America, big boobs are considered a plus by a lot of people.
  • In Europe, in the 1500-1600s, the smelliest it was, the better.
  • Some places in the world used to wrap babies' head in cloths in order to give it a cone shape.
  • In Japan, women used to wrap their feet so they stayed as small as possible
Some are just fashion fades that comes and goes, some have a longer effect.

I can't understand how any objectivity can be introduced in attraction and appearance. No matter if we are consciously aware of it or not, it's all subjective.
To a large degree, society decides what we like and then, sometimes, there's the inexplicable "surge of the moment" that kicks in.
 

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That's why I said there's a degree to which it is highly objective. Professional models for example or even so called ig models these days have all something in common, they're not overweight and fairly youthful. We could say that it attracts 90% of people and the rest 10% aren't affected by it. It's still the majority.
That's still subjective though, since not everyone finds IG models attractive, and what's deemed as "attractive" in these modern times wasn't always the case and is based on the society we live in currently, and we can already see that the beauty standards are changing with the new generations, so it's never something that's set in stone.
Also bear in mind that what's seen as "attractive" here in Canada/US won't be the same as another country across the world; Western beauty standards are heavily influenced by capitalism and racism(there's legitimate research put into this fact, so there's no point arguing with me if you disagree - just ask for resources instead or do your research).

Beauty is 100% subjective.
It is only objective when you only find beauty in what society tells you to and don't actually try to reflect on what YOU actually find attractive or beautiful.

Some good starting points for anyone interested in looking into this topic more outside of here:


www.teenvogue.com/story/standard-issues-white-supremacy-capitalism-influence-beauty/amp

Also have a PDF I can't seem to link on here but can provide to anyone interested in reading some research on the topic that has additional citations also!
 
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Of course looks are subjective. You can easily trace the changes in beauty standards in the west. Marilyn Monroe to Twiggy in barely a decade, and the shift in attitudes towards body hair - ever see Tom Selleck in Magnum PI, or 70s porn movies? Those changes were basically created and sold by various industries, and reinforced by media. It used to be via print magazines and movies, now it's Instagram and social media influencers, but the purpose is the same.
 
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I do believe a study was done ~15 (20?) years ago or so where they asked men around the world what their ideal woman was and a certain waist-hip ratio was the preference by many. No doubt due to our ooga-booga brains seeing that body type as a viable mating partner (child-bearing hips). BUT,T BUTT, BUTT, there are definitely outliers.
So, it's just subjective, really.
 
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