If you'd do it for money then you'd do it for free. I'd rather work at McDonald's. I'd rather touch their meat or so they say that it's meat, than touch another man's meat. At least you'd have a better chance at finding another job later.
are John's exploiting women?
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I used to fall in line with the thinking that so long as it was fully consensual, sex work was no different from any form of labour, but now I think that was just a rationalization.
Even with high-end, independents, a lot of the "I'm a hot girl having sex for money as a feminist statement" branding is just smoke and mirrors.
When you walk through the door, you have no way of knowing if she's an addict, or if she's being pimped by her boyfriend, or if she was brought to this country by the fucking Yakuza.
No one is doing this for love of the game, and I increasingly think that taking advantage of someone else's bad situation is intrinsically amoral, even if you try to be the most ethical trick in the world.
I'd like to stop, but I have no other romantic prospects and paying a pretty girl to pretend to like me every few months is basically the only thing I have to look forward to anymore, so I can't claim any moral high ground anyway.
Even with high-end, independents, a lot of the "I'm a hot girl having sex for money as a feminist statement" branding is just smoke and mirrors.
When you walk through the door, you have no way of knowing if she's an addict, or if she's being pimped by her boyfriend, or if she was brought to this country by the fucking Yakuza.
No one is doing this for love of the game, and I increasingly think that taking advantage of someone else's bad situation is intrinsically amoral, even if you try to be the most ethical trick in the world.
I'd like to stop, but I have no other romantic prospects and paying a pretty girl to pretend to like me every few months is basically the only thing I have to look forward to anymore, so I can't claim any moral high ground anyway.
The difficulty for us guys is in trying to differentiate between these different groups of sex workers. How do you tell from looking at a web site or LL ad which SP’s are being trafficked vs those who are not?
There are some ads that are filled with red flags but even with those that are not you can never tell for sure.
I tend to think that agencies that advertise on terb are safe in this regard as are the ladies who advertise here but beyond that it is hard to know.
This is why I say knowingly. That is the key word. That is the exact reason it makes it exploitative. Because the guy knows.
You could say the same for any and everybody working a job.
If i had been independent of fortune i would have never work a single day for an employer or working like crazy to please my clients when i was a business owner.
I gave my precious time for 25 years hence i was exploited to the core.
Now i work only 2-3 days per week, do 7-8 travel to the US and that's it. Rest of my time i coach soccer, cook a lot, grow tomatoes and jalapeños and try to annoy as much people here on Terb. Especially the crazy Trump wackos.
Every girl i met in this hobby i exploited them with a big smile, a hard dick (well except a few times...) and gave them their dues at the end with a big sense of relief.
I am telling you no one went shooting random people in a school or anywhere else after getting laid
All pussy is NOT created equal. From a guy's point of view, here are the categories:
a) Repulsive to one's eyes; no effort would be made to make eye contact or engage in even mild conversation.
b) No physical attraction whatsoever, but pleasant personality. Some potential exists for platonic friendship.
c) Physically attractive, but either underage, a blood relative, sister, daughter or partner of a close friend. Off limits.
d) Little to no physical attraction, but there are common interests and/ or mental compatibility. Strong possibility for friendship; possibility of a 'one off' evening which both later regret.
e) Physically attractive, but with red flags. Some fear of acquiring an STI. Not everyone's cup of tea.
f) The standard five or six: Not pretty, not ugly. Neither fat nor thin. Pretty much average in every way. Guys who are average themselves often marry the first one of these who will sleep with them twice.
g) The gorgeous psycho-bitch: Most guys want her, but only until reality kicks in.
h) Classic girl next door: Most guys don't aspire to more than this. Strong candidate for long term monogamous relationship.
i) The clown: She looks amazing, until either the makeup comes off or the beer goggles go away. Candidate for one night stand.
f) The nice 'fat chick': She's enough to settle for, in some men's opinions. Most guys would hit, but not necessarily commit. It depends on whether you hit or stick on 16 in black jack. There will always be the nagging belief that there's another one, the same or better, right around the corner.
g) Almost perfect: This woman has everything going for her, except for some flaw which can't be ignored. It could be a mustache, acne, a wart on the end of her nose, surfboard chest, really bad teeth, or a laugh like Fran Drescher or Brittany Andrews. Guys are initially optimistic that 'she's the one', but after they break up, they're like 'At least I don't have to deal with THAT anymore.
h) The classic eight: Everything about her is above average. Most guys stay away because they know that they are below HER standards. One lucky and confident guy snags her at an early age, and never lets go.
i) Too good for you: She's everything you could want, all in one package. She's also really into religion, and you're not. Strong candidate for friendship, but guys don't want to taint her goodness with their spoor.
j) Stupefyin' Jones: This woman is so far above most men's expectations that if they're alone with her in an elevator, they say nothing, or they try to start a conversation about the weather, or they make farting noises with their mouth. Later on they fap to the fantasy that they had had the balls to talk to her.
k) The star: Not necessarily the best looking, but this woman has talent, charisma, in is out of almost every guy's league. Candidate for fantasy relationship or onlyfans subscription.
l) Woman in name only: A trans person who's appearance is unconvincing: No thanks.
m) Confirmed lesbian: Whether or not the man finds her attractive is irrelevant. He won't get any, ever.
Feel free to add to this list.
We can break this down into three categories:
1) No thanks.
2) Would hit.
3) Would pay to hit.
It varies from man to man as to which ones from a) to m) are 1)s, 2)s or 3)s. A woman in the 2) or 3) category generally has multiple options as a partner. If she's in the 3) category, she'll have high expectations, and deservedly so. Either she'll chose one guy who can provide everything she wants, or a lot of different men will do that, collectively.
a) Repulsive to one's eyes; no effort would be made to make eye contact or engage in even mild conversation.
b) No physical attraction whatsoever, but pleasant personality. Some potential exists for platonic friendship.
c) Physically attractive, but either underage, a blood relative, sister, daughter or partner of a close friend. Off limits.
d) Little to no physical attraction, but there are common interests and/ or mental compatibility. Strong possibility for friendship; possibility of a 'one off' evening which both later regret.
e) Physically attractive, but with red flags. Some fear of acquiring an STI. Not everyone's cup of tea.
f) The standard five or six: Not pretty, not ugly. Neither fat nor thin. Pretty much average in every way. Guys who are average themselves often marry the first one of these who will sleep with them twice.
g) The gorgeous psycho-bitch: Most guys want her, but only until reality kicks in.
h) Classic girl next door: Most guys don't aspire to more than this. Strong candidate for long term monogamous relationship.
i) The clown: She looks amazing, until either the makeup comes off or the beer goggles go away. Candidate for one night stand.
f) The nice 'fat chick': She's enough to settle for, in some men's opinions. Most guys would hit, but not necessarily commit. It depends on whether you hit or stick on 16 in black jack. There will always be the nagging belief that there's another one, the same or better, right around the corner.
g) Almost perfect: This woman has everything going for her, except for some flaw which can't be ignored. It could be a mustache, acne, a wart on the end of her nose, surfboard chest, really bad teeth, or a laugh like Fran Drescher or Brittany Andrews. Guys are initially optimistic that 'she's the one', but after they break up, they're like 'At least I don't have to deal with THAT anymore.
h) The classic eight: Everything about her is above average. Most guys stay away because they know that they are below HER standards. One lucky and confident guy snags her at an early age, and never lets go.
i) Too good for you: She's everything you could want, all in one package. She's also really into religion, and you're not. Strong candidate for friendship, but guys don't want to taint her goodness with their spoor.
j) Stupefyin' Jones: This woman is so far above most men's expectations that if they're alone with her in an elevator, they say nothing, or they try to start a conversation about the weather, or they make farting noises with their mouth. Later on they fap to the fantasy that they had had the balls to talk to her.
k) The star: Not necessarily the best looking, but this woman has talent, charisma, in is out of almost every guy's league. Candidate for fantasy relationship or onlyfans subscription.
l) Woman in name only: A trans person who's appearance is unconvincing: No thanks.
m) Confirmed lesbian: Whether or not the man finds her attractive is irrelevant. He won't get any, ever.
Feel free to add to this list.
We can break this down into three categories:
1) No thanks.
2) Would hit.
3) Would pay to hit.
It varies from man to man as to which ones from a) to m) are 1)s, 2)s or 3)s. A woman in the 2) or 3) category generally has multiple options as a partner. If she's in the 3) category, she'll have high expectations, and deservedly so. Either she'll chose one guy who can provide everything she wants, or a lot of different men will do that, collectively.
Are SPs exploiting lonely John's?? Now that should be the question.
It was a question and the thread was posted in the second comment of this thread. Read properly and you would know.
Part of Singapore's logic to legalize brothels was they had lots of guest worker single men. And the founding PM felt large groups of single men means trouble - unless they have opportunities to get laid legally. So they did, but controlled it in brothels (not on the street), and health tested it, and taxed it. They also only allowed women from China, Thailand, Vietnam, and non-muslim Malays to work in the brothels. Anyhow, super low crime rate.If i had been independent of fortune i would have never work a single day for an employer or working like crazy to please my clients when i was a business owner.
I gave my precious time for 25 years hence i was exploited to the core.
Now i work only 2-3 days per week, do 7-8 travel to the US and that's it. Rest of my time i coach soccer, cook a lot, grow tomatoes and jalapeños and try to annoy as much people here on Terb. Especially the crazy Trump wackos.
Every girl i met in this hobby i exploited them with a big smile, a hard dick (well except a few times...) and gave them their dues at the end with a big sense of relief.
I am telling you no one went shooting random people in a school or anywhere else after getting laid
Sex workers are seen as threatening to a large percentage of women.
This includes the group who belief that every woman has the 'right' to decide if and when some specific male can or will have sex. A sex worker is threatening to them, in the same way that a 'scab' is threatening to a unionized worker on strike.
A large percentage of women don't enjoy heterosexual sex. For some, it's seen as a 'necessary evil' required before they can achieve their goal of becoming a mother. Some don't like it because they've never had sex with a partner who has any skill in the acts, and they assume that their experiences are true for every other woman.
Men who allow a woman to deny them from having sex are often described as 'happily married', or 'family men'. This is also a demographic whose beliefs about the sex industry are almost entirely based on how the industry is portrayed in the news media or in TV/ movie entertainment which doesn't have an R/ NC-17 rating, or it airs on TV before 10 PM, when they would most likely already be asleep.
A huge obstacle for women to be highly successful on their own merits is the jealousy they face from all the other women who were 'born less lucky', or those who think every woman should be successful, whether they work for it or not. If an attractive woman receives a promotion at work, there will always be gossip that merit was not the primary reason for her success.
Sexual services are one of the few economic commodities where much of society believes it is more 'noble' to give the goods away, as opposed to selling or renting them.
Back in the day, (80's/early 90's), I used to spend a lot of time in strip bars. The quality of talent was much better when table dances cost $5 and $10. The best talent often worked only in November and early December - rather than the party girls who were stripping as an alternative to getting a real job, the November - December girls were hot civvies who just wanted some extra cash to pay for Christmas presents or a winter vacation. Those were the 'look but don't touch' days. Most of that demographic ceased to participate when lap dancing became the norm, and the new wave to replace them was mainly immigrants, who were willing to 'do more' that many of our Canadian born girls. In my opinion, the very best lap dancers were always the ladies from Central and South America, followed by the French Canadians who moved west, and the very worst were those from Eastern Europe.
Later on, very average looking girls decided that they would make more money as a dancer than they would as an office drone or retail sales clerk. Their logic was: 'She's an eight, and she's making $500 a night. I'm a six, so I should make $375, (75%)'.
Before that, no dancer who was in demand would ever ask a customer if they wanted a dance. They would just walk around the club when they weren't hired, flirting with their eyes - it was part of the game, that the man had to indicate interest in that brief instant that their gazes met, or he'd have to wait until another such opportunity presented itself. The less desirable dancers started going from table to table, soliciting business from any and all, and that was a major turn off for me, and many others.
Some of them had this notion that if a man planned to pay for ten dances, he had an obligation to hire ten different dancer, instead of blowing the whole wad on one or two in particular. That's what you get, when the cartoons someone saw as children was Care Bears instead of Bugs Bunny. I recall one Millennial, after seeing their first Looney Tune classic, had a puzzled look, then said 'Cartoons are supposed to have a moral at the end'.
This includes the group who belief that every woman has the 'right' to decide if and when some specific male can or will have sex. A sex worker is threatening to them, in the same way that a 'scab' is threatening to a unionized worker on strike.
A large percentage of women don't enjoy heterosexual sex. For some, it's seen as a 'necessary evil' required before they can achieve their goal of becoming a mother. Some don't like it because they've never had sex with a partner who has any skill in the acts, and they assume that their experiences are true for every other woman.
Men who allow a woman to deny them from having sex are often described as 'happily married', or 'family men'. This is also a demographic whose beliefs about the sex industry are almost entirely based on how the industry is portrayed in the news media or in TV/ movie entertainment which doesn't have an R/ NC-17 rating, or it airs on TV before 10 PM, when they would most likely already be asleep.
A huge obstacle for women to be highly successful on their own merits is the jealousy they face from all the other women who were 'born less lucky', or those who think every woman should be successful, whether they work for it or not. If an attractive woman receives a promotion at work, there will always be gossip that merit was not the primary reason for her success.
Sexual services are one of the few economic commodities where much of society believes it is more 'noble' to give the goods away, as opposed to selling or renting them.
Back in the day, (80's/early 90's), I used to spend a lot of time in strip bars. The quality of talent was much better when table dances cost $5 and $10. The best talent often worked only in November and early December - rather than the party girls who were stripping as an alternative to getting a real job, the November - December girls were hot civvies who just wanted some extra cash to pay for Christmas presents or a winter vacation. Those were the 'look but don't touch' days. Most of that demographic ceased to participate when lap dancing became the norm, and the new wave to replace them was mainly immigrants, who were willing to 'do more' that many of our Canadian born girls. In my opinion, the very best lap dancers were always the ladies from Central and South America, followed by the French Canadians who moved west, and the very worst were those from Eastern Europe.
Later on, very average looking girls decided that they would make more money as a dancer than they would as an office drone or retail sales clerk. Their logic was: 'She's an eight, and she's making $500 a night. I'm a six, so I should make $375, (75%)'.
Before that, no dancer who was in demand would ever ask a customer if they wanted a dance. They would just walk around the club when they weren't hired, flirting with their eyes - it was part of the game, that the man had to indicate interest in that brief instant that their gazes met, or he'd have to wait until another such opportunity presented itself. The less desirable dancers started going from table to table, soliciting business from any and all, and that was a major turn off for me, and many others.
Some of them had this notion that if a man planned to pay for ten dances, he had an obligation to hire ten different dancer, instead of blowing the whole wad on one or two in particular. That's what you get, when the cartoons someone saw as children was Care Bears instead of Bugs Bunny. I recall one Millennial, after seeing their first Looney Tune classic, had a puzzled look, then said 'Cartoons are supposed to have a moral at the end'.
2021 Atlanta spa shootings - WikipediaI am telling you no one went shooting random people in a school or anywhere else after getting laid
It’s his fucking religious beliefs that made him do that.
Religion is the source of 80% of violence and hate in the world.
Are plumbers exploiting homeowners for cash because they have a leaky toilet ? Are grocery stores exploiting people because they have to eat ?
Is anyone exchanging services or goods for cash exploiting people ? The consensual exchange of cash for a product or service is now 'exploiting' ? Why not go full throttle on extreme labeling and call all cash exchange as extortion ?
Well said. Terb needs a forum for Dumb Threads And Ideas.
I'll have to remember this thread next time I go to the restaurant or the mall
just to exploit the waitresses and the barristas while ordering a meal and drinks.
This one is interesting because grocery stores are selling food which is an essential need. There's this recurring debate about grocery stores making extreme profits when the population is having a hard time paying their basic bills and necessities. I still don't know what to think about it since I do not know all the variables. It is something I can't claim as a SW, selling a luxury service, I am not exploiting the poor.
