Arar to get $10000000.00?

[WoodPeckr]

come on Richard Reid is black he isnt Lancs buddy

Well they do share a degree of common lunacy and are both Brits.......

 

[papasmerf]

Well they do share a degree of common lunacy and are both Brits.......

I think te fact we are both from the same region is the only common bond we share. Do you areree?

 

[WoodPeckr]

He needs to get something for his suffering but OMG10 million fucking dollars?????????

Political correctness run amok. Shame Stephen Harper. Shame.

Agree completely with you, dj1470!
If you convert that to USD it doesn't even come to $8.5 million!!!!!!!
For what Arar went through that's peanuts!!!!
Arar should have at least got double that amount!!!

dj1470,
Your 'compassionate conservatism' is truly commendable and noted......
Double, Shame Stephen Harper. Double Shame!!

 

[LancsLad]

come on Richard Reid is black he isnt Lancs buddy

Don't start something that can only turn out poorly.

 

[LancsLad]

Well they do share a degree of common lunacy and are both Brits.......

Not the same at all.

You can live in the United Kingdom and even be a citizen, but being British is not something one acquires it is what one is.


Remember pecker the rule is:


British by birth


ENGLISH by the grace of GOD.




.

 

[LancsLad]

Oh really, guess you forgot about your fellow Brit, Richard Reid........

Richard Colvin Reid (born August 12, 1973), also known as the shoe bomber, is an individual convicted on charges of terrorism and currently serving a life sentence in the United States. According to an al-Qaeda operative, Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, who was captured and interrogated in Oman in 2003, Reid was also a member of al-Qaeda and had been sent on the bombing mission by Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, a senior member of the organization.

Richard Reid, British citizen born in Bromley, South London and educated at Thomas Tallis School in Kidbrooke, London, he is the son of an English mother and a Jamaican father, who spent most of Richard's childhood years in prison. Reid became involved in street crime and spent time in a number of prisons, including Feltham Young Offenders' Institution, where he converted to Islam. He grew up with Ashraf Kotwal and David Shameen Meeajane. He talked to their parents Nasma and Vicky and Haroon Meeajane. David's brothers Daniel and Nathaniel also helped Richard. Richard told Ashraf and David how to put bombs on their shoes.

You contradict yourself with the narrative on that POS shoe guy. He is NOT one that falls into the same section of the demographic pie chart as I do.


Go back to your self abuse in that lonely dark closet where you are most happy. Thought seems to elude you.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

The thing I find most relevant is if this can happen to one citizen, it can happen to any citizen.

This concerns me more than the $10 Million or Arar's innocence/guilt.

 

[Aircraft]

torture

Leave it up to LancsLad to compare apples and oranges.

Comparing apples to oranges generally implies that there is no reasonable comparison or similarity to be made between the two. That surely, was Lanc's point: the deprivations, mutilations and physical agonies visited upon Canadian prisoners of war were a different order of torture than that experienced by Arar. Would that all such prisoners of WW II could have come home looking as healthy and rested as Arar. Alas that that sort of terror has become commonplace when brutish dictators rule their subjects and their enemies. Arar was fortunate in not being fully classified as either.

 

[dreamer]

Comparing apples to oranges generally implies that there is no reasonable comparison or similarity to be made between the two. That surely, was Lanc's point

It is still a poor comparison. Our soldiers were hurt or tortured during a war. Canada on the other hand, through neglegence or on purpose, gave false information that contributed to Arar being deported and tortured. In my mind the two are not comparable.

 

[red]

Tell that to the Canadian Hong Kong vets that were actually brutally tortured by the Japs in WW2 and they'll spit in your face. Thousands died from the mistreatment and starvation and they WERE Canadian.

Error made was arar made it back.

this is a disappointing post. Not only was he deprived of his civil liberties,kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured as a result of incorrect information provided by the Cdn. gov't- the same agency - the RCMP- released the information to the press to smear his public reputation, and then covered up what they did. He also had to mount his own legal challenge and force an inquiry before any of this came to light. In addition, he still has restrictions on his travel, and his reputation is tainted.

He sued for forty million dollars and settled for a lesser amount. compared to what was paid to Mulroney, as an example, this settlement is not much in the way of compensation.

 

[LancsLad]

this is a disappointing post. Not only was he deprived of his civil liberties,kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured as a result of incorrect information provided by the Cdn. gov't- the same agency - the RCMP- released the information to the press to smear his public reputation, and then covered up what they did. He also had to mount his own legal challenge and force an inquiry before any of this came to light. In addition, he still has restrictions on his travel, and his reputation is tainted.

He sued for forty million dollars and settled for a lesser amount. compared to what was paid to Mulroney, as an example, this settlement is not much in the way of compensation.

Shows you our weakness in this battle with the eyeslam terrorists.

He actually sued and got money from the Canadian Taxpayers. You try going to one of their pissant third world shi*holes and see what your "rights" are. Bloody none, cause a stink and you die.

I stand by my post and if it disappoints some people, well so be it.

 

[booboobear]

ok Papi you sign up to be locked away in a 2 by 3 metre cell, with a filthy blanket only to sleep on that someone previously has urinated or maybe worse on, oh did I mention the almost daily beatings you would get by being hung from the ceiling by your ankles and when they got tired of beating you with sticks would hook electrical charges to your genitals

Syrian prisons make Midnight Express seem like a Sunday family movie

I read the report of his torture he never said anything about electrical charges to his genitals . How much did Truscott get for destroying his childhood or other people jailed for years who were innocent ? I agree Arar should be compensated but only if everyone falsely imprisoned should be.

 

[red]

Tell that to the Canadian Hong Kong vets that were actually brutally tortured by the Japs in WW2 and they'll spit in your face. Thousands died from the mistreatment and starvation and they WERE Canadian.

Error made was arar made it back.

The hong kong vets were treated shabbily by the Cdn govt and terribly by the japanese. but arar is as much a canadian as these vets.

 

[red]

Shows you our weakness in this battle with the eyeslam terrorists.

He actually sued and got money from the Canadian Taxpayers. You try going to one of their pissant third world shi*holes and see what your "rights" are. Bloody none, cause a stink and you die.

I stand by my post and if it disappoints some people, well so be it.

I don't think we need to base our rights and laws on what happens in other countries. His canadian rights and privileges were infringed upon, he suffered real harm, the cause of the infringement and harm was the actions taken by Canadian Gov't representatives. therefore under Canadian law he deserves to be compensated.

you have the right to post what you wish because this is a free country. I will remain of course disappointed that an otherwise educated adult can hold such an opinion.

 

[red]

I read the report of his torture he never said anything about electrical charges to his genitals . How much did Truscott get for destroying his childhood or other people jailed for years who were innocent ? I agree Arar should be compensated but only if everyone falsely imprisoned should be.

are you arguing that others should have got more or that because we have treated the others in an unfair way we should treat arar unfairly?

 

[LancsLad]

I don't think we need to base our rights and laws on what happens in other countries. His canadian rights and privileges were infringed upon, he suffered real harm, the cause of the infringement and harm was the actions taken by Canadian Gov't representatives. therefore under Canadian law he deserves to be compensated.

you have the right to post what you wish because this is a free country. I will remain of course disappointed that an otherwise educated adult can hold such an opinion.

Lets leave it at that then, I can respect that you may find disappoinment at my views, i do tend to elicit that response from many. Equally true though is that those who take great pains to ensure the " rights" of others ahead of Canadians ultimately need to rely on those with views similar to mine to protect them later Think of Winston during the Wilderness years when he was ridiculed from every corner of polite society for his controversial views. the winds did change, as they shall here.

 

[Questor]

Think of Winston during the Wilderness years when he was ridiculed from every corner of polite society for his controversial views. the winds did change, as they shall here.

LMAO Lancslad...the Winston Churchill of terb. Truly a legend in his own mind. I can think of more apt comparisons.

 

[red]

Lets leave it at that then, I can respect that you may find disappoinment at my views, i do tend to elicit that response from many. Equally true though is that those who take great pains to ensure the " rights" of others ahead of Canadians ultimately need to rely on those with views similar to mine to protect them later Think of Winston during the Wilderness years when he was ridiculed from every corner of polite society for his controversial views. the winds did change, as they shall here.

well i hope we are not attacked, but if we are I am hoping that we fight without losing our rights, or what would we be fighting for.

But to be clear - Mr. Arar is a Canadian citizen- so in now way is this settlement putting the rights of "others" ahead of Canadians. It is about protecting the rights of Canadians.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Shows you our weakness in this battle with the eyeslam terrorists.

He actually sued and got money from the Canadian Taxpayers. You try going to one of their pissant third world shi*holes and see what your "rights" are. Bloody none, cause a stink and you die.

I stand by my post and if it disappoints some people, well so be it.

I too have a problem when people come to this country and abuse our system (i.e. the teacher from Iran), but I don't believe Arar's case is an abuse of the system. It's the other way around.

The right to a fair trial is paramount in ensuring justice to our citizens. If one of our citizens is denied this fundamental right, than all of us are denied it. If you, a fellow citizen were treated with the same injustice, I would expect you to sue. If it happened to me, you can be damn sure I'm sueing.

Some citizens are born in this country, some are not. Those who come here for a better life and wish to contribute and become a part of our society, I welcome them. I also expect them to receive the same rights and privileges I receive.

The real issue is not Arar's innocence or guilt or if he deserves the money. The real issue is that we never got to find out if he was innocent or not. In this case, that's not Arar's fault.

 

[newinottawa]

Where can I sign up to be imprisoned and tortured for a year so that I can get 10 million??

After 3 days you would be offering 11 million to get released from your contract.