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Interesting that you ignore generations of Arabs keeping Palestinians in Lebanese, Syrian, and Jordanian death camps yet you are all over Israel because they want to deport illegal immigrants.
1) those generations of Palestinians are waiting for Israel to respect human rights and international law and allow them to return.
2) calling those refugee camps death camps while ignoring the news out of Gaza is disgusting.

Now they are shutting down hospitals in Gaza.
Gaza hospitals shut down as deadly siege tightens
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/gaza-hospitals-shut-down-deadly-siege-tightens

And
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/WH...aza-to-run-out-of-fuel-within-ten-days-540742
 

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1) those generations of Palestinians are waiting ...
For the Arab states to respect the UN Convention on Refugees or for their leaders to accept the concept of a permanent peace with Israel.

And no, the Syrian camps Palestinians have been locked in are far more deadly than the Gaza Strip that Hamas millionaires and billionaires have laid waste to.
 

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For the Arab states to respect the UN Convention on Refugees or for their leaders to accept the concept of a permanent peace with Israel.
They have, you're just trying to find excuses.
Israel is the one in the wrong, they should have honoured the right to return half a century ago.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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They have, you're just trying to find excuses.
Israel is the one in the wrong, they should have honoured the right to return half a century ago
If you feel so strongly about countries conquering or occupying other lands, maybe you should move out of Canada as well since white people "stole" this land from the Indians.

First however, before you can move out of the country, you must move out of your mom's basement. Babysteps....babysteps
 

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For the Arab states to respect the UN Convention on Refugees or for their leaders to accept the concept of a permanent peace with Israel.

And no, the Syrian camps Palestinians have been locked in are far more deadly than the Gaza Strip that Hamas millionaires and billionaires have laid waste to.
Hey don't be so hard on him. Just think about the hundreds of thousand of Jews expelled from Arab countries and now their children and grandchildren who are forced to live in those refugee camps in Canada the US and throughout Europe waiting for those Arab countries to respect human rights.
 

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If you feel so strongly about countries conquering or occupying other lands, maybe you should move out of Canada as well since white people "stole" this land from the Indians.

First however, before you can move out of the country, you must move out of your mom's basement. Babysteps....babysteps
Its a good comparison, isn't it?
Canada is a colonial state, built the same way Israel is trying. The difference is we're a couple of hundred years ahead, both by end state and morality.
Now all land issues are being settled in the court, as they should be.
And now our natives not only have full equal rights but we're implementing the truth and reconciliation findings.

Compare that to Israel, which is still actively taking land from the natives, ruling them under apartheid and moving further away from the rule of law.

Israel needs to implement the Canadian approach, equal rights and full democracy for all under their rule.

Thanks for bringing that up.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Its a good comparison, isn't it?
Canada is a colonial state, built the same way Israel is trying. The difference is we're a couple of hundred years ahead, both by end state and morality.
Now all land issues are being settled in the court, as they should be.
And now our natives not only have full equal rights but we're implementing the truth and reconciliation findings.

Compare that to Israel, which is still actively taking land from the natives, ruling them under apartheid and moving further away from the rule of law.

Israel needs to implement the Canadian approach, equal rights and full democracy for all under their rule.

Thanks for bringing that up
If you call putting Indians in reservations the settling of land issues, then we have a different understanding of who owned which land first.

Also, settlers were taking land from Indians well into the 19th century, which was 300+ years after Columbus found America in 1492: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn

So by your reasoning and logic, Palestinians still have 250 years to make peace with Israel and lay down their weapons. After they've made peace, Israel will put them into reservations in Gaza and that will be the end of it. Sound good to you??
 

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If you call putting Indians in reservations the settling of land issues, then we have a different understanding of who owned which land first.

Also, settlers were taking land from Indians well into the 19th century, which was 300+ years after Columbus found America in 1492: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn

So by your reasoning and logic, Palestinians still have 250 years to make peace with Israel and lay down their weapons. After they've made peace, Israel will put them into reservations in Gaza and that will be the end of it. Sound good to you??
So you want to give the Israelis 250 more years of oppression, genocide and dispossession before they do the right thing that's before their noses to observe right now?

I get the supposed 'logic', but you need to pass on your 'what history dictates' stuff to your Islamophobic friends. If it applies to Israelis, then it must also apply to Muslims who are still in their Fifteenth Century, and shouldn't be expected to conform to someone else's XXI C standards. I look forward to you chewing them out for their mistaken view in any number of threads here. But why haven't you been done so already?

Or were you just making all that stuff up, blaming someone else for thinking it, then 'winning' your fantasy argument with them by pointing out how ridiculous your invention is?

If so, pardon me for my own imaginings: That you might have a principled opinion of your own on the topic.
 

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They have,....
Wow. Another outright fraud on your part.

The UN Convention on refugees explicitly describes the duties of host countries and they explicitly state that refugees should have the same rights as other citizens and have the opportunity to be assimilated. Instead the Arab states, Lebanon among the worst, has kept them locked in camps depending on international charity, and officially banning generations from owning land, getting an education, or working ion a wide variety of professions simply because their grandparents were born in a slightly different area of the same Ottoman province.

The most atrocious part of the Arab treatment of Palestinians is the original refugees were created in a war those same Arab states launched in defiance of the UN.
 

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So you want to give the Israelis 250 more years of oppression, genocide and dispossession before they do the right thing that's before their noses to observe right now?
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The problem is that both sides need to agree to peace. The Palestinian leadership, especially in Hamas are dead set against making peace with Israel. It is impossible for Israel to make peace as long as the other side continues to promote and conduct terror attacks on random civilians. The conflict started with the Arab leadership refusing to accept Jews in the neighbourhood, the war started when the Arab/Palestinian leadership refused to accept the UN Partition and to this day, an extremely large segment of the Palestinian leadership still refuses to accept the concepts laid out in the UN Partition.

Israel has factions that want the entirety of Mandate Palestine but their size pales in comparison to the numbers in Palestinian politics that want Israel destroyed.



And your description of genocide is farcical as both the Arab Israeli and Palestinian populations are growing at a faster rate than Canada's population.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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So you want to give the Israelis 250 more years of oppression, genocide and dispossession before they do the right thing that's before their noses to observe right now?
I didnt say that, was going by Frankfurter's logic

I get the supposed 'logic', but you need to pass on your 'what history dictates' stuff to your Islamophobic friends. If it applies to Israelis, then it must also apply to Muslims who are still in their Fifteenth Century, and shouldn't be expected to conform to someone else's XXI C standards
Hey great point, so until they start coming out of that 15th century mentality, maybe we should stop letting them into Europe and N.A. I'm glad we agree oj
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The problem is that both sides need to agree to peace. The Palestinian leadership, especially in Hamas are dead set against making peace with Israel. It is impossible for Israel to make peace as long as the other side continues to promote and conduct terror attacks on random civilians. The conflict started with the Arab leadership refusing to accept Jews in the neighbourhood, the war started when the Arab/Palestinian leadership refused to accept the UN Partition and to this day, an extremely large segment of the Palestinian leadership still refuses to accept the concepts laid out in the UN Partition.

Israel has factions that want the entirety of Mandate Palestine but their size pales in comparison to the numbers in Palestinian politics that want Israel destroyed
Spot on!
 

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The problem is that both sides need to agree to peace.
No, the problem is that the side that is occupying the other side by military force is still actively colonizing that same country.
There can be no peace while Israel continues to settle Palestine.

And now really, there can be no two state solution because Israel has taken too much of Palestine.
So you're left with apartheid.

Israel won't end apartheid on their own, which means its down to the ICC ruling on Israeli apartheid and the global boycotts that will follow.

Because clearly Israel has no interest in peace, only in 'settling' more of Palestine.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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No, the problem is that the side that is occupying the other side by military force is still actively colonizing that same country.
There can be no peace while Israel continues to settle Palestine.

And now really, there can be no two state solution because Israel has taken too much of Palestine.
So you're left with apartheid.

Israel won't end apartheid on their own, which means its down to the ICC ruling on Israeli apartheid and the global boycotts that will follow.

Because clearly Israel has no interest in peace, only in 'settling' more of Palestine
So Frankie, since you're technically still living on native-Indian land, when will you be moving out of Canada and back to Deutschland??
 

Frankfooter

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So Frankie, since you're technically still living on native-Indian land, when will you be moving out of Canada and back to Deutschland??
Phil, there is no need.
You see here in Canada we're past that, we're negotiating treaty rights in the court for land for natives.
On top of that we're also so progressive we gave them the vote, though that didn't happen until the '60's.
Note that there is no native terrorism here because they have full equal rights, tax free status and social services.

Israel should try it as well.
If you want peace there, end apartheid and give them full rights.
 
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