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kherg007

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AOC has offered POLICY to the govt. Shes mostly doing her job.
MTG and Bobert do not offer policy, but performative acts, including threatening people like AOC.
AOC understands how govt works and tries to work within that system.
MTG and Bobert are profoundly ignorant how govt works.

It's ok to disagree w AOC. She's arguing and debating policy. Honest people can disagree w her, or feel her policies won't work. I cannot understand why someone would demonise that. If she was advocating a system where Dems control the counting of votes, and banning Republican voters from voting, and arresting Republican congresspeople, or encouraging people to harass republicans...then she's worthy of demonisation. I have not seen any policy position shes advocated that is to the left of mainstream Canada, France, Netherlands, etc.
 

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AOC has offered POLICY to the govt. Shes mostly doing her job.
MTG and Bobert do not offer policy, but performative acts, including threatening people like AOC.
AOC understands how govt works and tries to work within that system.
MTG and Bobert are profoundly ignorant how govt works.

It's ok to disagree w AOC. She's arguing and debating policy. Honest people can disagree w her, or feel her policies won't work. I cannot understand why someone would demonise that. If she was advocating a system where Dems control the counting of votes, and banning Republican voters from voting, and arresting Republican congresspeople, or encouraging people to harass republicans...then she's worthy of demonisation. I have not seen any policy position shes advocated that is to the left of mainstream Canada, France, Netherlands, etc.
Most of what she's advocating is already liberal policy up here.
The right wingers don't want to discuss the issues when they can just attack her because she's a woman, had a job once, did well at university and is quite lovely.

But that's standard, political criticism on the right seems to start with and end with 'xxxx is a moron'.
 

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Most of what she's advocating is already liberal policy up here.
The right wingers don't want to discuss the issues when they can just attack her because she's a woman, had a job once, did well at university and is quite lovely.

But that's standard, political criticism on the right seems to start with and end with 'xxxx is a moron'.
Throw in misinformation too. E.g., "AOC wants to ban air travel. It's in the green new deal!" Actually, nowhere in the green new deal does it mention anything about banning air travel.
 

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love when white men living north of South America think they know what is going on in these countries or what it’s like to live there, or what is best for the people and cultures of the South. Repeating an indoctrinated narrative that fits a small percentage of people (elitist) only fools the ignorant and clueless masses to the North. Most people living or who have lived in South America understand precisely how the cyclical strings are pulled. We’re made up of rich countries full of natural resources and keep fighting against elitist or CIA-installed governments (precisely what they are doing in the Middle East today). The countries that don’t allow the “hand of the north” into their money pot have to deal with an even bigger giant monster…the American media, the most significant influencer of our time. Imagine, these so-called 3rd world countries have already had numerous women presidents, but people think up here they are the progressive ones, lol. From my point of view, and you are not the only one on here, I know exactly who they are.
Oh, a all knowing socialist fool
How rare... not

I guess you will still deny the fact that it took only one generation of socialism to take Venezuela. from the wealthiest country' in South America to hell hole it is today
There is a reason people want to leave loonie left shit hole countries and move to wealthy capitalist countries

The US was building a wall to keep people out, while East Germany needed a wall to keep people in


Your takes on AOC come across as pure racist and baseless
Too bad reality is not the same as "comes across"
She would be just as stupid if she was a man and white
In fact she is quite interchangeable with Justin Trudeau
Both are photo friendly, managed by others and are able to say what they have been told to say
Ask either of them a difficult question they have not been prepped on and . Umm, Oh, ah.... er.... awkward silence followed by avoidance of the questio


. She’s educated and understands precisely what it is like to live the life most immigrants are experiencing in America.
She grew up in Yorktown Heights, a wealthy suburb in Westchester County., since age 5

On top of that this demographic finally feels represented at that level of Congress
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Yeah Westchester county has really suffered from poor representation
I understand there is a real shortage of pool cleaners and it is next to impossible find a good nanny

I love it when a socialist makes a fool of himself by not fact checking the propaganda he has been feed


Like Canada, the US has consistently received an influx of immigrants. Let me tell you, nobody just decides to get up and leave their families behind. Crashing economies and creating civil wars is the reason you can thank governments for the influx of immigrants—something you probably can’t understand or reason with. AOC represents a majority, not a minority. It may not be your circle of influence, but it’s a big piece of the American pie today. That’s the real reason why most people that aren’t white or privileged can relate to her.
Are you finished embarrassing yourself?

If you had been paying attention, you would know I support immigration into Canada as our birth rates can not sustain economic growth
My only stipulation is we need to select people who will be contributors ie filling the shortages of skilled trades or looking to start a business venture which will hire Canadians
Have a good work ethic, willing to obey the laws, willing to leave the religious and political problems of the old country behind ? Welcome to Canada
Looking for a free ride, or committed to supporting terrorist or age old religious based hatred or expecting Canadians to change to accommodate your beliefs? Sorry we are full

AOC is a moron reading from a script

Just see how she reacts to a question she was not prepped for
If she ever has an original thought, it will die from loneliness

Do not fault me for not relating to an idiot
You should be asking yourself why you relate to an idiot

You may evaluate your political leaders based on race , but I do not.
Race does not pre-determine an individuals intelligence
A good leader needs to be intelligent, financially responsible, pragmatic, able to collaborate with others, able to find compromise amongst conflicting interests and understand the responsibilities of the office

AOC posses NONE of those qualities as every decision is predetermined by her ideology.
 
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It's ok to disagree w AOC. She's arguing and debating policy. Honest people can disagree w her, or feel her policies won't work. I cannot understand why someone would demonise that. If she was advocating a system where Dems control the counting of votes, and banning Republican voters from voting, and arresting Republican congresspeople, or encouraging people to harass republicans...then she's worthy of demonisation. I have not seen any policy position shes advocated that is to the left of mainstream Canada, France, Netherlands, etc.
You are 100% correct. The reason the conservatives goes after her with ad hominem attacks is that they offer no alternative policies.

The only thing they have is school yard taunts: "you are dumb", "your parents are poor" etc.
 
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Oh, a all knowing socialist fool
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AOC is a moron reading from a script
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If she ever has an original thought, it will die from loneliness
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Do not fault me for not relating to an idiot
You should be asking yourself why you relate to an idiot
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AOC posses NONE of those qualities as every decision is predetermined by her ideology.
Yup, just anger, bile and insults.
But if you can't debate the policies, that's what you're left with.
 

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You are 100% correct. The reason the conservatives goes after her with ad hominem attacks is that they offer no alternative policies.

The only thing they have is school yard taunts: "you are dumb", "your parents are poor" etc.
Or 'she was a bartender' as if that somehow makes her ineligible for office.
 

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AOC was on CNN today. So I watched her. Watch it. Tell me this women is an idiot after watching that. Compare that to any Gym Jordan, louie gohmert, MTG, Bobert interview. She explained the situation about housing moratorium, analysed the issue with depth and complexity (includes assigning what parts to blame the dems in Congress, only a tiny bit of blame on the repubs, and blaming Biden alot too). She's not throwing bombs, calling repubs evil who are destroying america...she is saying she'll not vote for this or that in the infrastructure bill if certain policies aren't implemented - which i disagree with her - but its how normal politics are done. Again, I think her withholding vote on infrastructure is wrong, and foolish. But its normal, understandable, based on reality and fact, and tactically well within normal and typical found in any democracy. (Just tactically wrong, imho. But it how she wants to get an additional progressive program into the bill).

Watch it for yourself. On State of the union interviewed by Jake tapper.
 

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AOC was on CNN today. So I watched her. Watch it. Tell me this women is an idiot after watching that. Compare that to any Gym Jordan, louie gohmert, MTG, Bobert interview. She explained the situation about housing moratorium, analysed the issue with depth and complexity (includes assigning what parts to blame the dems in Congress, only a tiny bit of blame on the repubs, and blaming Biden alot too). She's not throwing bombs, calling repubs evil who are destroying america...she is saying she'll not vote for this or that in the infrastructure bill if certain policies aren't implemented - which i disagree with her - but its how normal politics are done. Again, I think her withholding vote on infrastructure is wrong, and foolish. But its normal, understandable, based on reality and fact, and tactically well within normal and typical found in any democracy. (Just tactically wrong, imho. But it how she wants to get an additional progressive program into the bill).

Watch it for yourself. On State of the union interviewed by Jake tapper.

Yeah CNN asks the real tough questions of democrats
I bet her staff had the questions four days in advance

"includes assigning what parts to blame the dems in Congress,"
a real team player , intelligent people do not air the party's dirty laundry in public
Politics is a tough game, and it punishes fools and non-team players who are unable to compromise . she will self-destruct

she is saying she'll not vote for this or that in the infrastructure bill if certain policies aren't implemented
uncompromising, 100% committed to her ideology and could care less about other peoples views or interests including the party she supposedly represents

she would hold back infrastructure spending unless she also gets the socialism spending , ignoring the FACT the govt can not afford either , let alone both

Tell me this women is an idiot
She has tied "Climate Change" to social issues
She thinks she can "fight" the changing climate, despite the FACT climate has always changed and will continue to change
She is an idiot

I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.
She thinks her moral view is more important than being factually correct when communicating to the public
And she thinks claiming moral superiority justifies intentionally misleading others for political gain


Tell me this women is an idiot
She is an idiot and does not understand the first thing about being morally right
 
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Yeah CNN asks the real tough questions of democrats
I bet her staff had the questions four days in advance

"includes assigning what parts to blame the dems in Congress,"
a real team player , intelligent people do not air the party's dirty laundry in public
Politics is a tough game, and it punishes fools and non-team players who are unable to compromise . she will self-destruct


uncompromising, 100% committed to her ideology and could care less about other peoples views or interests including the party she supposedly represents

she would hold back infrastructure spending unless she also gets the socialism spending , ignoring the FACT the govt can not afford either , let alone both


She has tied "Climate Change" to social issues
She thinks she can "fight" the changing climate, despite the FACT climate has always changed and will continue to change
She is an idiot



She thinks her moral view is more important than being factually correct when communicating to the public
And she thinks claiming moral superiority justifies intentionally misleading others for political gain



She is an idiot and does not understand the first thing about being morally right
Lotta assumptions, then conclusions and judgments based upon them.
Watch the interview yourself.
 

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No, but half the party wanted Sanders and that half and the youth will definitely back AOC over Pelosi.
Closer to 30% wanted Sanders and his voters aren't a guaranteed lock for AOC at all.
The other thing is that Pelosi is out soon. She's an old woman. AOC will be struggling with different people if she aims for leadership. I don't expect she will. She doesn't seem that gifted in the bridge building and ally-wrangling aspects of the job. If anyone on "The Squad" is going to have a shot, the best candidate seems to be Pressley - so far she has been the most proficient at that skill set. Of course, the House Leader skill set isn't the same as the President skill set.


AOC was on CNN today. So I watched her. Watch it. Tell me this women is an idiot after watching that. Compare that to any Gym Jordan, louie gohmert, MTG, Bobert interview. She explained the situation about housing moratorium, analysed the issue with depth and complexity (includes assigning what parts to blame the dems in Congress, only a tiny bit of blame on the repubs, and blaming Biden alot too). She's not throwing bombs, calling repubs evil who are destroying america...she is saying she'll not vote for this or that in the infrastructure bill if certain policies aren't implemented - which i disagree with her - but its how normal politics are done. Again, I think her withholding vote on infrastructure is wrong, and foolish. But its normal, understandable, based on reality and fact, and tactically well within normal and typical found in any democracy. (Just tactically wrong, imho. But it how she wants to get an additional progressive program into the bill).
I don't think it is tactically wrong in this situation. Sinema and Tester (was it Tester? I think so.) and a couple of others have made noises about holding their votes on the bill from their side. So the Progressive Caucus has laid down a marker about holding the votes on their side as well. It is a "well, I guess we are all coming to the table to hash this out" play instead of leaving the "You have to appease me" field to the moderates.
There is always danger in a game of chicken like this, but especially early where it is sending up signals to the other side that you're gonna have to deal and not just get your way doesn't strike me as a big problem.
 

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Lotta assumptions, then conclusions and judgments based upon them.
Watch the interview yourself.
I did not assume anything, she has made her positions quite clear

You can not get around this little gem of utter and complete stupidity and arrogance
I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.
Now unless she publicly admitted her moral views are subordinate to actual facts, then she continues to wear the dunce cap

Since such an admission in itself would have made the headlines, by default she still justifies intentionally communicating incorrect and misleading "facts" to the public for political gain

Tying climate change policy to her socialist agenda is unbelievably corrupt and dishonest.
I would have added disingenuous, however she is clearly too stupid to understand that the physical laws of nature are not determined by social issues such as income disparity.
In addition her unsubstantiated time limited predictions of climate catastrophe are also extremely irresponsible and foolish

Here is another example of her mouth moving a whole faster than her brain

“And so it’s basically like, there is a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult and it does lead, I think young people, to have a legitimate question. Ya know, should—is it okay to still have children?”
consensus means shit in real science. She speaks about matters she does not understand at all
Encouraging young people to forgo parenthood???? Unbelievable irresponsible

There is very little to gain from watching CNN lob her pre-determined questions
However, perhaps if I am waiting for some paint too dry I will consider watching.... for comic relief
I bet CNN would appreciate the bump in market share


Tell me this women is an idiot after watching that
She was an idiot before that program and she will be an idiot long after that program
 
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Your right. It is always wise to judge someone based on one sentence. I wonder who said this:

"A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that…I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage."
 

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If you think AOC is bad, check out House Minority leader Kevin McCarthy.
From Dana Milbank at the Washington post:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) replied with a considered response: “He’s such a moron.”
Mean! But if the dunce cap fits …

Such an incendiary charge by Pelosi demands a fact check: Is McCarthy, in fact, a moron? Let’s weigh the evidence.
The very day Pelosi called him a moron, McCarthy complained on the House floor that the latest mask guidance came from a study in India (not so) of an unapproved vaccine (also not so) that “didn’t even pass purr review.” Was he waiting for a litter of kittens to examine the data?
The day before Pelosi called him a moron, McCarthy held a news conference to provide his latest thinking on the Jan. 6 investigation, including:

“We now have a committee that all of America wants to know the answers to.”

“How can you ever get to the bottom of the questions?”
“Never before in the history of Congress has a speaker taken the unprecedented move of denying the other party to a committee of who they selected.”

McCarthy further concluded that the April slaying of a Capitol Police officer was politically motivated — “based upon if you listen to who made the killing of buying the knife and go out.”
The day after Pelosi called him a moron, McCarthy made yet more important points at another news conference.
On President Biden: “The president, we sat to met with, that we wanted to be — keep our path be energy independent.”

On a retired colleague: “Former liberal senator Barbara Boxer is now has the effect of being robbed in Oakland.”
On Pelosi: “She will go at no elms to break the rules.”
On Pelosi, cont’d: “We watched time and again where she told the American public they couldn’t get a haircut — except for her. We told her that she fights for the Americans, but they make $5 million in less than a month trading stock options … on tech companies that were — that were debating inside the House; that the only reason the market went up, that they made that money was what the outcome of the stocks — or, the outcome of the bills.”
Fact-check analysis: Wuh?
But one week does not a moron make. Let’s examine history.

McCarthy famously lost a chance to be speaker in 2015 when he admitted that Republicans created the Benghazi select committee to hurt Hillary Clinton (by making her seem “untrustable”).
In 2016, McCarthy told fellow Republicans he believed Donald Trump was on Vladimir Putin’s payroll — “swear to God.” Aghast, then-House Speaker Paul Ryan silenced McCarthy.
In 2018, McCarthy tweeted, then deleted, a warning that three men of Jewish descent, George Soros, Tom Steyer and Mike Bloomberg, wanted “to BUY this election!”
On “60 Minutes” in 2019, McCarthy was asked about then-President Donald Trump’s infamous request of the Ukrainian president: “I’d like you to do us a favor, though.” McCarthy, unaware this was a verbatim quote from the White House transcript, accused CBS of doctoring it.

Recently, McCarthy trumpeted on Fox News an apocryphal report that Biden “is going to control how much meat you can eat.” McCarthy also claimed not to know about QAnon (which he called “Q-on”): “I don’t know if I say it right. I don’t even know what it is.” He had spoken several times previously about QAnon, by name.

Long before McCarthy became Trump’s “my Kevin,” he had a rocky relationship with the English language.
In 2014, I chronicled McCarthy’s musings on blind justice (“You see the Supreme Court, you see the statue sitting there, blinded in the process with the weights in between”), on Obamacare enrollment (“He only totes the 8 million … How can we fall going forward?”) and on charter schools (“This is a great strength of a change making an equalizer inside for economy throughout”). In a 2015 foreign policy address, he announced that he had visited “Hungria” and lamented that Russia is “keeping the place of the band on America.”

Marching band? Boy band? This fact check could not determine.
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow then described McCarthy’s speech pattern as a “word typhoon.” (Fact check: It’s technically a word tornado, in which words scatter randomly and sometimes disappear entirely.) He sounds part Yoda, part Google Translate.
But does this make McCarthy a “moron”? There might be another explanation. I asked McCarthy’s communications director, Matt Sparks, if the leader has a speech disability (in which case I wouldn’t ridicule him). But Sparks made no such claim, instead calling my ongoing interest in McCarthy’s words “a bit sad and very odd.”
Alas, this leaves only one possible conclusion, which I deliver with no elms: Pelosi’s claim earns the rating “mostly true.”
 
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I did not assume anything, she has made her positions quite clear

You can not get around this little gem of utter and complete stupidity and arrogance


Now unless she publicly admitted her moral views are subordinate to actual facts, then she continues to wear the dunce cap

Since such an admission in itself would have made the headlines, by default she still justifies intentionally communicating incorrect and misleading "facts" to the public for political gain

Tying climate change policy to her socialist agenda is unbelievably corrupt and dishonest.
I would have added disingenuous, however she is clearly too stupid to understand that the physical laws of nature are not determined by social issues such as income disparity.
In addition her unsubstantiated time limited predictions of climate catastrophe are also extremely irresponsible and foolish

Here is another example of her mouth moving a whole faster than her brain



consensus means shit in real science. She speaks about matters she does not understand at all
Encouraging young people to forgo parenthood???? Unbelievable irresponsible

There is very little to gain from watching CNN lob her pre-determined questions
However, perhaps if I am waiting for some paint too dry I will consider watching.... for comic relief
I bet CNN would appreciate the bump in market share




She was an idiot before that program and she will be an idiot long after that program
She's not my fave US Congressperson for sure. I think shes overrated on influence, gets way more credit than she's earned. A pissweak backbencher is what she'd be in oz. And I disagree w a lot of her policies. But she's doing proper legislation, using proper democratic methods, not demonizing her opponents, and honestly and with enthusiasm really trying to get things done that help people. I find it admirable, even if her policies are misguided. She can defend them too, again, honest people can disagree with her. But she lays it out for discussion. Again, what she's proposing is mainstream in most of the world's democracies.

In contrast, MTG is doing performance art, waving her firearms and making veiled and not so veiled threats against people. Madison Cauthorn and Bobert doing the same - just own the libs. No need to put forth policy positions nor any meaningful legislation.

My problem is WHY THE FUCK is this grounds for this extraordinary, virulent, psychotic hatred of AOC? She's not asking for an ethno-state, nor turning USA into a dictatorship, nor banning the rich from voting, nor coddling dictators, nor profiting personally through conflicts of interest, etc.

So i come back to why the hatred? Why the constant threats against her life? Sure, I'd rather bone her than talk politics w her, or accept her positions (outside of CG and doggy lol) but the point is she can talk policy. MTG didn't understand HIPAA nor what a US Attorney General does nor how the rules work in the legislature, and spends her time making campaign ads showing her threatening AOC and the squad (btw, threatening their lives, not their careers or ideas).

I think people making honest efforts to help others should be tolerated. And done respectfully when we disagree. I try to be respectful to all of you whether I agree or disagree. I've done my time as a warrior, thus don't feel the need to be the keyboard kind. Yet AOC seems to draw the fire of the latter, and others on the right like she's a greater threat to civilisation than the Nazis or the Chinese or the Taliban. I'd think Putin or Xi or that fat kid running north korea (to quote the great John McCain) would deserve such vitriol, but they don't seem to get half of what AOC gets.
 

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That public banking bill was introduced last year. Is it ever
going to be passed?
 
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