Afghanistan also won the war against America with Trump surrendering before the end of his term
Anyone still think Ukraine can defeat Russia?
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So Ukraine really should join NATO or partner with Poland so that Russia can't attack again?
Is that what you are arguing?
If this were true we would be seeing lots of geo located vids posted in Ukraine channels, and I am not seeing any. When Russia destroys or captures one the few remaining AFU tanks there are all kinds of vids. I have seen videos of Russian tanks around andreveeka moving around rather unmolested. also what this guy says about the RUAF is nonsense, attack helos wiped out Urkainian armour and Russian fighter bombers are dropping more and more glide bombs. There is no reason to overfly the enemy, just release the glide bombs and they get hit without any warning, I have no doubt Russsia is losing some tanks, but the also have lots of repair options and new/refurb tanks arriving at a rate of close to 200/month,.
Ukraine wanted to join NATO because it feared and attack from Russia right? So then why did it refuse to give up NATO under threat of attack from Russis, if that was indeed the reason for joining NATO? How does that make sense? Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO, any attempt to join will result in a pummelling. Same as Canada joining the CIS.
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Ukraine doesn't need to "defeat Russia". Russia will, again, fail all by itself.
Putin's hubris exposed Russia's military as the corrupt, relatively ineffective in real combat with a motivated opponent with orders of magnitude less military and economic mass. Ukrainian people would rather die than live under Russian oppression and as a Russian society. Funny thing is that AFAIK, NOBODY admires or wishes to live the Russki Mir. Except ignorant Russians who are too bone-headed and have laughably false confidence in their overall superiority.
Russia is a fucked up country and Russian society is to blame. I confess that I used to have sympathy for Russian people who 'had no choice' but to send their men off to this wasteful and destructive war. Guys like YOU, A2sx, oily, that Battle Babushka with the massage parlour on Bloor as well as what I read and watch on YouTube when Russians are interviewed etc... have rekindled my, and likely most of the world's disgust with Russia and Russians.
Putin's continued obstinant pig-headedness continues to neuter Russia in incalculable ways.
Mark my words, again, Russia will fail. They already failed on every single one of their claimed reasons for invading. They are failing to win much more than when they invaded last time. Russia is failing not only in this mal-adventure but as a country. Just like they did when they poured all their money into the Cold War.
Ukraine doesn't have to defeat Russia. Russia is already doing it themselves.
Putin's hubris exposed Russia's military as the corrupt, relatively ineffective in real combat with a motivated opponent with orders of magnitude less military and economic mass. Ukrainian people would rather die than live under Russian oppression and as a Russian society. Funny thing is that AFAIK, NOBODY admires or wishes to live the Russki Mir. Except ignorant Russians who are too bone-headed and have laughably false confidence in their overall superiority.
Russia is a fucked up country and Russian society is to blame. I confess that I used to have sympathy for Russian people who 'had no choice' but to send their men off to this wasteful and destructive war. Guys like YOU, A2sx, oily, that Battle Babushka with the massage parlour on Bloor as well as what I read and watch on YouTube when Russians are interviewed etc... have rekindled my, and likely most of the world's disgust with Russia and Russians.
Putin's continued obstinant pig-headedness continues to neuter Russia in incalculable ways.
Mark my words, again, Russia will fail. They already failed on every single one of their claimed reasons for invading. They are failing to win much more than when they invaded last time. Russia is failing not only in this mal-adventure but as a country. Just like they did when they poured all their money into the Cold War.
Ukraine doesn't have to defeat Russia. Russia is already doing it themselves.
Ukrainians, like all the other former victims of forcible Soviet occupation, want to get as far away from anything to do with Russian governance. Just like YOU and the other ingrates who are free to return to the glory of Mother Russia.. but don't. I bet you'd put up a big fight and seek protection if YOU were forced to be extradited back to live in Russia under Russian rule.
So EVERY country that had the chance, BEGGED to join NATO. NATO didn''t beg, nor ask, nor automatically make them members.
NONE of these countries who lived under Soviet/Russian barbaric oppression have ANY interest in invading Russia. The Evil West had ZERO interest in invading Russia. NONE. Who the fuck would want that LIABILITY? Ironically, the only semi-ally that russia has, China, is the one country that is sure to try to grab some land from their impotent neighbour.
Anyways, not that any of this is of any use to you except to tee off on some more Vatnik fantasy bullshit.
Look the only WIN for Ukraine is that Russia buggers off or putin keels over and the next guy lets them off.
Right now the "win" for Ukraine is foreign money and aid.
There's something there that russia wants and is willing to fight for, they don't make uncalculated moves.
Yeah yeah, Russia bad, Holomodor bla bla. Meanwhile a Georgian was in charge during the holmodor and more Russians died then Urkainians. And yeah these nice victims of Russia particpated in the holocaust and ethicilly cleansed Galicia from the Poles and commorate Nazis still. Even scammed the Canadian Parliament into commemoratinng a NAZI to our massisve humiliation. NATO bribess people to join, they get the partnership for peace, which is military aid. The evil west that desstoryed Libya, Iraq, Serbia and Afghistan? yeah nice try. The same evil west that is demanding the strategic defeat of Russia and regime change? That is fomenting a war with china over Taiwan? that evil west? The evil west that has invaded Russia how many times in the last 200 years? Do you have no idea of history whatsoever?
THe next guy lest them off? Putin is the moderate. The others wanna raze Ukraine to the ground. But you are right that they don't make uncalcualted moves.
The only way for Ukraine to win is to charge the minds of russians that they want regime change in russia and have russians fight for it, that russia become more of a democracy (but democracies are cetainly not without issues)
Otherwise ukraine can fight till all its fighters are dead or western money has dried up, both of which are happening. Ukraine cannot pound russia into submission, and russia will drag this out because it can.
Otherwise ukraine can fight till all its fighters are dead or western money has dried up, both of which are happening. Ukraine cannot pound russia into submission, and russia will drag this out because it can.
DEVELOPING IN WASHINGTON TODAY - A LOVE STORY: In case you forgot, at 2:15 pm EST today, President
@JoeBiden
will host President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine (
@ZelenskaUA
) who is in Washington to lobby for more money as the GOP House insists that no money for Ukraine until the US border is closed. At 4:15 pm EST, both leaders will hold a press conference to explain why defending Ukraine or defeating Russia is in the US national interest. They will claim that if you don't give Ukraine the billions of dollars the country needs, Putin will invade NATO nations and American sons and daughters will have to fight as Article 5 is triggered, leading to World War 3 and potentially a nuclear war. The options you therefore have is to either give all the money to Ukraine or face World War Three, they would say, all of it really a lie. Ukraine does not seem to be defeating Russia, actually, Russia seems to have won and Ukraine will not be joining NATO as Russia wanted. Russia does not seem interested or even capable of fighting NATO nations now. All they wanted was not to be surrounded by NATO and said Ukraine could not join NATO the same way the US does not want missiles in Cuba capable of hitting the US mainland. As the lies and propaganda continue, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent, and the military-industrial complex has continued to profit, only to come to the same conclusion, this conflict will only be resolved via negotiations, a conclusion, the Ukrainian-American Secretary of State
@ABlinken
does not want to accept. May God help us.
https://thepressunited.com/updates/ukraine-asking-us-for-military-aid-that-doesnt-exist-nyt/
The cupboard is bare. There are very good reasons why NATO has so little ammo. They are a commodity item and thus not very profitable, so no one lobbies for them. Also being in charge of ammo in the army is not a prestigeous job so no one wants to do it. Finally the US tends to rely more on aerial bombing then artillery.
The cupboard is bare. There are very good reasons why NATO has so little ammo. They are a commodity item and thus not very profitable, so no one lobbies for them. Also being in charge of ammo in the army is not a prestigeous job so no one wants to do it. Finally the US tends to rely more on aerial bombing then artillery.
Yeah yeah, Ukraine bad, Putin good. NATO evil.
You know, its possible to just take a stance that no government is totally ideal and that no other country should be allowed to invade them.
Georgia and Cheyna were bad but they were outside western influence. Ukraine is borderline and too close to too many EU countries.
Sure they likely have as many political issues as the US, Canada or the UK and we know you hate NATO but regardless, no other country should be excused for invading any other country.
