Anti-Zionism Isn't The Same As Anti-semitism. Here's The History

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This has everything to do with zionism being a 19th century, racist, colonial movement to steal indigenous land through violence.


ALL ABOUT THE "VOLUNTARY TRANSFER" OF PEOPLE


'Voluntary Transfer' of Palestinians in Gaza Is Another Fantasy. It Won't Last
Even if several thousand Gazans end up fleeing the hell they've become trapped in, the Palestinians will remain
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Last week, an Israeli soldier died after contracting a fungal infection in Gaza. The media reported that 10 more soldiers were sickened by similar fungi, which may have come from soil that was polluted by wastewater.

Many Israelis wondered if the fungus would endanger more soldiers, spread to the general population. They were less concerned about reports from several weeks earlier about the health disaster in the Gaza Strip and the spread of viruses, bacteria and infectious diseases there, about bodies piling up in the streets and under the rubble.

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Reservist Aviad Frija shot to death the hero Yuval Kestelman, a civilian, last month during a terror attack because he thought Kestelman was a Palestinian terrorist. Video footage of the shooting indicates that this was an execution. Many Israelis were horrified.

They aren't so horrified when something similar happens to a Palestinian. A video on social media shows an Israeli giving out sweets in the lobby of a hotel where displaced Israelis are staying to celebrate the assassination of Saleh al-Arouri. An Arabic song play in the background. When Palestinians give out sweets following a terror attack, Israelis are appalled.



Since Israel's founding, many here have been caught up in fantasies: If only the country would empty out of Arabs, we could live in safety; there's no peace because there's no partner; military control of the West Bank and a blockade of Gaza can be maintained without consequences; if we don't look at the other side and don't see what's in the backyard, it won't blow up in our faces; occupation does not corrupt, certainly not us; our wars are all wars of no choice; and of course – we're not like them, we mustn't be like them.

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Besides the fantasies connected to Israeli identity, there are also the practical fantasies: What we weren't able to do in 1948 we can do now; what we weren't able to do in 1967, maybe we can do this time; maybe this time we'll deter them; if we just push them more and more, if we just build a stronger underwater barrier, if we just squeeze them into small enclaves, if we just erect more checkpoints and fences.

At the very top of the pyramid of fantasies is the transfer fantasy. What was considered abominable when Rehavam Ze'evi once proposed it has lately become a very fashionable term.

Its popularity also has to do with Israelis' belief that without any Palestinians around, they can go back to having "beautiful locks and fine faces" like in the famous poem by Haim Gouri; and with the fact that the idea has come to seem quite practical, certainly compared to the idea of a genocide of a million Palestinians (not so practical).


The current iteration of the transfer fantasy comes under the guise of "voluntary transfer." It's pretty logical when you think about it – people who are being bombarded day and night, whose houses have been destroyed and whose families have been killed or wounded, exhibit a "desire" to leave the inferno. But like all the other fantasies that keep blowing up in the Israeli public's face, this fantasy won't last long either.

Even if several thousand Gazans end up fleeing the hell they've become trapped in, the Palestinians will remain. And if Israel doesn't change direction by 180 degrees, it could find that the opposite will happen: More and more Israelis – educated, middle-class Jews who don't see enough hope here anymore – will "voluntarily transfer" themselves to other countries. They've already got the foreign passports.
 
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Not all of Israel is illegal, just everything occupied other than the UN partition plan.
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Are you now saying you accept Israel as a Jewish state within the Partition plan (that Arab leaders rejected and went to war to undo)?

Citizens of either side are not 'fair game', but Israel has been arming 'settlers' and backing them up with the IDF and they largely no longer act as civilians.
The Jewish presence in the occupied territories is recognized as illegal by the UN, deal with it. That's the law.
Thanks for confirming that you don't care what international law and your own rights groups say even as you try to walk back your claims that attacks on Jewish civilians are okay because in your racist words "you can't tell them apart".
 
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This was 7 years ago...
So your excuse for ignoring what Palestinians rejection of a One State peace and demanding a state without Jews is to whine that in a 9 year old poll almost half of Israelis wanted a state without Palestinians?

How do you justify calling yourself a Palestinian supporter while demanding they be forced into a situation they hate?
 

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Are you now saying you accept Israel as a Jewish state within the Partition plan (that Arab leaders rejected and went to war to undo)?


Thanks for confirming that you don't care what international law and your own rights groups say even as you try to walk back your claims that attacks on Jewish civilians are okay because in your racist words "you can't tell them apart".
I think the ICJ, ICC and the UN should settle the matter.

Maybe its time to hand the land back to Palestinians. Terrorists shouldn't be allowed to run countries.

 

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So your excuse for ignoring what Palestinians rejection of a One State peace and demanding a state without Jews is to whine that in a 9 year old poll almost half of Israelis wanted a state without Palestinians?

How do you justify calling yourself a Palestinian supporter while demanding they be forced into a situation they hate?
You think Palestinians wanted genocide?

 

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OFER CASSIF: MEMBER OF KNESSET


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Seventy lawmakers signed a motion to expel left-wing MK Ofer Cassif over his support for South Africa's genocide case against Israel. Meanwhile, senior ministers' statements are actively undermining Israel's war effort​
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Ofer Cassif at the Knesset in Jerusalem, March 6, 2019.
Israeli lawmaker Ofer Cassif has been a lightning rod from the moment he stepped into the national political arena.

When he made his debut ahead of the 2019 election, Haaretz columnist Ravit Hecht described his approach as "fire and brimstone," predicting that Cassif "is likely to draw fire from opponents and be a conspicuous figure."

Her prediction proved to be an understatement.

At the time, he was already on record for calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu an "arch-murderer," Minister Miri Regev "repulsive gutter contamination" and former Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked "neo-Nazi scum." He was initially prevented from running for the Knesset by the Central Elections Committee and only permitted to do so with the intervention of the High Court of Justice.

Nearly five years and three elections later, the acid-tongued senior Jewish lawmaker for the Arab-Jewish Hadash party has regularly faced attempts to oust him from Israel's parliament for statements made while serving there. These include a description of Zionism as "a racist ideology and practice that espouses Jewish supremacy."

Efforts to punish him for his views have intensified since the Gaza war broke out on October 7. About two weeks later, the Knesset Ethics Committee suspended him for 45 days and revoked his salary for 14 days, for expressing "a connection between the content world of the Holocaust and current government policy in times of war." This after 400 complaints were filed against him for calling a proposal by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich the "final solution" to the Palestinian problem.

This week, 70 Knesset members from both right-wing and centrist parties have signed a motion to expel Cassif from their ranks over his support for South Africa's genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice. He signed a petition on Monday supporting South Africa's suit in the world court ahead of a hearing on the matter in the United Nations' top court starting Thursday.

Time will tell if enough votes will be mustered in the Knesset House Committee and in the full Knesset to see Cassif expelled –and, if it happens, whether it will withstand a review of the High Court.

Cassif's words and behavior are undeniably inflammatory, and his signing of the petition is offensive to many at such a sensitive moment. But it also feels an odd time to be discussing removing government officials for extreme and offensive views. Cassif, after all, is merely a member of an opposition party. His words and petition-signing may trigger distress, but have no real impact.

At exactly the same time, senior government figures like National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Smotrich are making statements that aren't just offensive. They are actively undermining Israel's war effort, alienating Israel's most important ally and supporter in the battle against Hamas: the United States.

As Cassif has pointed out, ministers who "have explicitly called for population transfer, the destruction of Gaza by fire or atomic bomb, the starvation of its people, and to infect them with disease, are sitting at the cabinet table."

Presumably, the purpose of a parliament with a wide spectrum of parties is to make sure all voices and points of view are represented, as in other democracies that guarantee free speech – including those of the extreme left and right. If that's the case, then Cassif deserves to keep his job.

If it isn't and Cassif is shown the door, then the extremist right-wing leaders who keep the Netanyahu government in power should be forced to get in line right behind him.

Read more about Israel's war against Hamas:

Gaza genocide case against Israel: Key legal questions facing the ICJ

Unlike South Africa's ANC, Hamas is not waging a just war for liberation

Israelis can't understand how they could be accused of genocide

Israelis can't understand how they could be accused of genocide

On northern border, Israel fails to translate tactical victories into strategic gains

'Worst crisis ever': Jewish-Muslim partnerships in U.S. become another victim of Gaza war

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Refugees fleeing Burma to Bangledesh. Meh
Atrocities including kidnapping and forced marrage and rape in Iraq. Meh
Killing of civilians in Syria. Meh
Boko Haram and all the other fuckery in west Wakanda. Meh
South Sudan, Ethiopia etc, Meh
They never remade Daria as a life action with Aubrey Plaza, meh
Lil Kim in North Korea. Meh
Russian buttfukery in Ukraine, Me... oh Wait, Trump is a Poutard, Hmm who do I hate more, the west or Donald Trump.
Justin Beiber. Meh
Hamas breaks the peace, attacks Israel PURPOSELY targeting civilians, killing and taking hostages as part of their stated goal to eradicate Jews from River to Sea. Meh
Hamas doing this knowing Israel must respond and hiding behind their own people. Meh
Israel responds and Palestinians civies as part of the Hamas plan. NOOOOO! WON"T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Gee, and anyone wonders why any sane person thinks "Anti Zionism" is just code for "I hate the west and or Jews but don't want to be considered a racist"

A guess it's a bit like white supremacists who insist they don't hate anyone, they just want a separate homeland. At least those mother fuckers know they are spinning bullshit and nobody in or outside of their crew is buying it.

The double standard is just too telling.

The worse thing is these people actually think they are the good guys here and not being racist as fuck and supporters of again the one side that actually wants genocide but thankfully doesn't have the power to do it. Supports the one side who will never accept anything but extermination Dalek style. Ehhh Kill Jews, Whoup Whoup Oppa Dalek style.

Hamas supporters on hearing of more dead Jews



Hamas on hearing of more dead Palestinian children knowing how some westerners will react
 
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