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Wow.
This is some fun stuff here.

So Poland will take over the western half of Ukraine... why?
And then there will be a DMZ that no one will live in? Or they will live in, but it isn't a real country? Is it a protectorate run by the other two sides? (And which sides are those?)

And then NATO will go after China, but only if Germany leaves NATO because Germany is defending China or something?

Great stuff.
Keep going.
So Poland will take over the western half of Ukraine... why?
Answer: Historical some part of the western half of Ukraine land belong to Poland before WWII.

And then there will be a DMZ that no one will live in?
Definitely somE people will live mostly the part of the Urkanine that are antiRussia will live there.. But there will be no military base or military army in the DMZ because Ukraine government would had unconditional surrender to Russia after President Zelensky fled Ukraine or Ukrainian Generals kill Zelensky and USA give up on Ukrainian and pivot to China by announcing the greater enemy of the United States is China.

Or they will live in, but it isn't a real country?
Is it a protectorate run by the other two sides? (And which sides are those?)

The current border of Ukraine have shrunked and Russian don’t give a dam about western Ukraine or Kiev. They won’t want it because it a basket case and they won’t want the headache or responsibility of running that part of the remnant of that country Ukraine. It will probably run by Poland!


Germany will leave NATO because of what the American did to Northstream pipeline. Germany will realize that American don’t give a damm about Germany because it was proven that by blowing up the Northstream pipeline they Americans had destroyed Germany economy . Did you know that Russian cheap natural gas providoes Germanyto buy from Russian gas which give the Germany economy a competitive or unfair advantage over USA economy.
Once Germany leave NATO. Then NATO will fall apart. Then the American will pivot toward China .

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"There are long links of history that straddle today's border between the two countries and familial and linguistic links too, but Poles also feel strongly because they can imagine how it feels to be up against the Russians. It is only just over 30 years since the collapse of communism here and there are longer memories too of Soviet occupation. And not everyone has confidence that being under the Nato umbrella, as Poland is, is sufficient protection from Vladimir Putin."

My first girl/woman was Polish/Uke. She told me there's been a mixing of Polish and Uke blood for centuries.
 

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"There are long links of history that straddle today's border between the two countries and familial and linguistic links too, but Poles also feel strongly because they can imagine how it feels to be up against the Russians. It is only just over 30 years since the collapse of communism here and there are longer memories too of Soviet occupation. And not everyone has confidence that being under the Nato umbrella, as Poland is, is sufficient protection from Vladimir Putin."

My first girl/woman was Polish/Uke. She told me there's been a mixing of Polish and Uke blood for centuries.
Please google 'Holodomor'.
 

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I think the war will end in annexation of parts of Ukraine in
exchange for peace in the battlefield. A new cold war between
the west and Russia is the price to pay. Depending on whether
Putin is going to survive Russia will have to make nice with the
U.S. to end the hostility.
 
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After Ukraine, Putin will set his sight on Poland. Russia has always wanted Poland.
 

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I think the war will end in annexation of parts of Ukraine in
exchange for peace in the battlefield. A new cold war between
the west and Russia is the price to pay. Depending on whether
Putin is going to survive Russia will have to make nice with the
U.S. to end the hostility.
Why would Ukraine want to accept giving up their territory to a Russian army that needed months to grind a few hundred meters around Bakhmut? Ukraine has spent all winter arming and training troops while Russia has been rushing poorly armed conscripts (and Nazi prisoners) to a meat grinder wit at least 7:1 losses.

At best (for Russia at least) Ukraine might make a statement about Russian troops staying in Crimea in exchange for a complete withdrawal from the rest of Ukraine.
 

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So Poland will take over the western half of Ukraine... why?
Answer: Historical some part of the western half of Ukraine land belong to Poland before WWII.
So Poland just gets it because of history?
Has Poland said they want to take it over?
Has Ukraine said they want to be taken over by Poland?

And then there will be a DMZ that no one will live in?
Definitely somE people will live mostly the part of the Urkanine that are antiRussia will live there.. But there will be no military base or military army in the DMZ because Ukraine government would had unconditional surrender to Russia after President Zelensky fled Ukraine or Ukrainian Generals kill Zelensky and USA give up on Ukrainian and pivot to China by announcing the greater enemy of the United States is China.

Or they will live in, but it isn't a real country?
Is it a protectorate run by the other two sides? (And which sides are those?)

The current border of Ukraine have shrunked and Russian don’t give a dam about western Ukraine or Kiev. They won’t want it because it a basket case and they won’t want the headache or responsibility of running that part of the remnant of that country Ukraine. It will probably run by Poland!
Ah.
So it either becomes a Polish vassal state or it becomes part of Poland but with an express treaty that no one is allowed to have military bases there?

Germany will leave NATO because of what the American did to Northstream pipeline. Germany will realize that American don’t give a damm about Germany because it was proven that by blowing up the Northstream pipeline they Americans had destroyed Germany economy . Did you know that Russian cheap natural gas providoes Germanyto buy from Russian gas which give the Germany economy a competitive or unfair advantage over USA economy.
Once Germany leave NATO. Then NATO will fall apart. Then the American will pivot toward China .
When you say "the American will pivot toward China" do you mean the US will make China its number one enemy or that America will join up in a Pacific Alliance with China? (PTO?)

Why does all of NATO fall apart if Germany wants to withdraw?

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It's hilarious!
Can you do an alternate history where NATO never expanded east in 1997?
 

Valcazar

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Why would Ukraine want to accept giving up their territory to a Russian army that needed months to grind a few hundred meters around Bakhmut? Ukraine has spent all winter arming and training troops while Russia has been rushing poorly armed conscripts (and Nazi prisoners) to a meat grinder wit at least 7:1 losses.

At best (for Russia at least) Ukraine might make a statement about Russian troops staying in Crimea in exchange for a complete withdrawal from the rest of Ukraine.
They might accept it because war is hell and if it settles into mutual entrenchment it is very hard to dislodge.
In the end, if Russia finishes with any more territory than when it started in Feb 2022, then it gets to claim a "win" - no matter what their original goals were or how much they paid to get that territory.

I do think it is quite likely that the negotiated settlement leaves Russia with some claimed territory.
Crimea is the other likely trade.
I don't know if Ukraine can get Crimea back.

The issue always is "will both sides accept the settlement as better than fighting for more".

If the settlement is just a ceasefire where nobody actually accepts the settlement then you will end up with the Minsk situation where it will be ignored very quickly.
 

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Russia is paying a terrible pay for little if any gain but then they have unlimited manpower and they can always draft women into service like they did in WW II.

""What we're seeing is a horrific level of Russian casualties for minimal gains," they said, noting that an estimated 200,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded overall since the war began."
Russia-Ukraine live updates: Up to 30K Russian casualties in Bakhmut, officials say (msn.com)
Had an old colonel who fought in WWII tell me that the russian tactics very different than the allies. If there was a machine gun nest, allies would try to cover fire and maneuver to get a squad behind the gunners and take them out w a grenade or a clear shot. the Russians would rush the gunner and keep sending men because they knew he'd eventually the machine gun would run out of ammo or overheat. Tons more casualties of course...and the officers seemed unbothered as long as they got the objective.
 
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Had an old colonel who fought in WWII tell me that the russian tactics very different than the allies. If there was a machine gun nest, allies would try to cover fire and maneuver to get a squad behind the gunners and take them out w a grenade or a clear shot. the Russians would rush the gunner and keep sending men because they knew he'd eventually the machine gun would run out of ammo or overheat. Tons more casualties of course...and the officers seemed unbothered as long as they got the objective.
Yup. Russians demonstrate that they don't even value the lives of their fellow Russians.
 

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Charles XII's Sweden, Napoleon's France and Hitler's Germany
were all better and freer decades after conflict with Russia was
over. This time around I expect NATO member nations minus the
U.S. (which I think will be the one that is to benefit most from the
Ukraine conflict) will be better than Russia as well. But it will take
some time for EU to wean its dependence off imports of energy
and commodities from Russia. The U.S. will not only be better, it
will be prosperous.

Russia was always a harsh place to live and remain so. Historically
it's society was backward compared with its western neighbors and
has perpetually been catching up to little avail. That is a fate I don't
expect to change in the foreseeable future.
 
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You may have a career in speculative fiction. You can write about Russia winning the war even after they lose:poop:...
I talking about reality not fiction!
You can bookmark this post and point out to me and I will eat crow if your prediction about Urkanine winning this war against Russia Federation .

You cannot dispute this video. You will eat crow! The majority 95% of the liberal and left wing leaning terb and pro urkraine and Russia phobia terbite will eat crow and be shock when Urkraine loses against Russia and Germany will wake up and leave NATO. And the Germany will leave with NATO they beginning to realized the USA stabbed them in the back as quoted in the video. They are slowly waking to the reality that USA did an equivalent economic Pearl Harbour to Germany & EU. { As demonstrated increasing peace demonstration in Europe, and slowing waking up to the fact of increasing cost of living, the destruction of their economy without the cheap Russian gas to fuel their economy).

NATO is finished without Germany!!
 
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Russia is paying a terrible pay for little if any gain but then they have unlimited manpower and they can always draft women into service like they did in WW II.

""What we're seeing is a horrific level of Russian casualties for minimal gains," they said, noting that an estimated 200,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded overall since the war began."
Russia-Ukraine live updates: Up to 30K Russian casualties in Bakhmut, officials say (msn.com)
Here are the true number = 14,093 according to BBC verification of Russian troops killed !
So where you get 200,000 Russian troops killed?
You got it backwards, over 200,000 Ukraine killed, probably 300,000 Ukrainian killed with if counting wounded add another 300, 000 to give you a total of 600,000 Ukrainian killed and wounded and probably now at most aprox 20,000 Russia Federation kill and wounded . You believe the bulkshit hype by the mainstream media just like the CIA and mainstream media Mouthpiece lies/ propaganda examples IRAQ WMD.
 
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