Another news scam exposed
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Ok, so it was reported that 377 tons were missing but in actual fact it's more like 3 tons may be missing. I'm sure that makes all the military personal there feel SO MUCH safer.
It took half a pound of RDX* to bring down a 747 over Scotland. A rough calculation will show that 1 ton is equal to 2200 lbs (approx). Sounds to me like they misplaced enough explosives to cause some serious damage to me langeweile. I guess the true point of the story is lost on many.
* From http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-nitramines.htm
"It has a high degree of stability in storage and is considered the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives"*
It took half a pound of RDX* to bring down a 747 over Scotland. A rough calculation will show that 1 ton is equal to 2200 lbs (approx). Sounds to me like they misplaced enough explosives to cause some serious damage to me langeweile. I guess the true point of the story is lost on many.
* From http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-nitramines.htm
"It has a high degree of stability in storage and is considered the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives"*
If you want to talk about the true meaning of the story, than let's go.Cardinal Fang said:Ok, so it was reported that 377 tons were missing but in actual fact it's more like 3 tons may be missing. I'm sure that makes all the military personal there feel SO MUCH safer.
It took half a pound of RDX* to bring down a 747 over Scotland. A rough calculation will show that 1 ton is equal to 2200 lbs (approx). Sounds to me like they misplaced enough explosives to cause some serious damage to me langeweile. I guess the true point of the story is lost on many.
* From http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-nitramines.htm
"It has a high degree of stability in storage and is considered the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives"*
In ANY war there is a time of confusion. Battle lines are blury, positions change everyday, many times you have a hard time to distinguish between friend and foe, criminal elements are taking advantage of the situation for they own gain etc...
To imply that these conditions are somehow unique and apply only to IRAQ, has more to do with politics that reality.
Kerry needed an issue to run on. He picked Iraq, well knowing that ANY armed conflict is never clean and never black and white. He took advantage of the nastiness of war and used it to his advantage. It was a well planned strategy. It was the only issue he could successfully run on.
The "lost explosive issue" is part of the strategy, the amount is irrelevant. The fact that it happened is irelevant. Unless you want to believe that this has never happened in a war ever. I believe that this is not the only instance of stolen explosives in Iraq, or somewhere else.
It is a ploy, to make his case for a failed war. That is the heart of the story IMHO.
You can take any conflict in the history of the world and make any of the participants look good or bad, pending on the spin you want to put on.
It should. And I'll bet if you ask any soldier, they'll tell you they would rather know the enemy has 3 tons than 377 tons. In fact, that type of attitude that 377 tons is no different than 3 tons is exactly the type that pisses off soldiers.Cardinal Fang said:
I'll be sure to relay that to the Pentagon Keebler Elf. We could make sure to tell the soldiers on the ground that if one of their friends die as a result of these "missing" explosives that they should be happy they only have 3 tons of it.Keebler Elf said:
That was the point I was trying to make.langeweile said:
Ah….. but I disagree here. This type of explosive is the favorite of many terrorist groups around the world langeweile. This is the type of explosive that can be easily be manipulated and used with basic skills. This is the type of weapon the Bush Administration was afraid was being sold to terrorists to use against Americans.langeweile said:
Given the spectre this war is being fought under any missing ordnance would and should be of more concern especially when your own country is so divided on the war.
So here is what we know:
We don't know who took it
We don't know how much they took
We don't know when they took it
But we do know whom to blame - Bush of course.
Geez
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We don't know who took it
We don't know how much they took
We don't know when they took it
But we do know whom to blame - Bush of course.
Geez
OTB
I'm absolutely dumbfounded. Iraqi weapons were the whole reason we got into this silly war, and now that some of said weapons disappear while supposedly being monitored by the US, they don't matter.
lange, I find this especially surprising from you given that a few threads ago you were saying that a few hundred more tons of explosives in the hands of terrorists/insurgents didn't matter. Since, according to you, no amount of missing explosives is a cause for concern, what does it matter if the amount is three tons or three hundred?
Three tons or three hundred - I still gotta know, how does that much weight walk out of a supervised building?
lange, I find this especially surprising from you given that a few threads ago you were saying that a few hundred more tons of explosives in the hands of terrorists/insurgents didn't matter. Since, according to you, no amount of missing explosives is a cause for concern, what does it matter if the amount is three tons or three hundred?
Three tons or three hundred - I still gotta know, how does that much weight walk out of a supervised building?
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In no war ever, even the most successfull(if there is such a thing) ,has there been not any incidents like this one.
The only reason why this is getting play, because there is an election.
You are not understanding me.bbking said:
In no war ever, even the most successfull(if there is such a thing) ,has there been not any incidents like this one.
The only reason why this is getting play, because there is an election.
i going to copy this in to the Bush conspiracy thread.bbking said:
Don't worry i will give you the credit.
Something I think you are all missing:
Bush had nothing to do with this. The Whitehouse had nothing to do with this. If they HAD, that would be much *worse*. You really want to leave military matters to the military men.
To think that the president would have his finger in the tactical, day by day decisions made by mid-level military commanders on the field of battle... absurd.
The president sets the broad political objectives and then ought to leave it to the military to figure out how to meet them. The commander on the ground on that day had reasons for his decisions and I bet one of his reasons wasn't "I didn't get a call from Bush telling me what to do today, so I sat on my ass and did nothing."
Bush had nothing to do with this. The Whitehouse had nothing to do with this. If they HAD, that would be much *worse*. You really want to leave military matters to the military men.
To think that the president would have his finger in the tactical, day by day decisions made by mid-level military commanders on the field of battle... absurd.
The president sets the broad political objectives and then ought to leave it to the military to figure out how to meet them. The commander on the ground on that day had reasons for his decisions and I bet one of his reasons wasn't "I didn't get a call from Bush telling me what to do today, so I sat on my ass and did nothing."
The Blame Game
How about the UN's role in this whole thing. I understand the united states wanted these explosives destroyed in the 1990's but Hanns Blix saw no need for this
If the UN had Done what it should have We Wouldn't be having this debate now
I think if we want to play the blame game lets go back to he prinicple authority incharge of this fiasco. It's basicly just another UN fuck up in a long and shameful list of UN fuck ups
How about the UN's role in this whole thing. I understand the united states wanted these explosives destroyed in the 1990's but Hanns Blix saw no need for this
If the UN had Done what it should have We Wouldn't be having this debate now
I think if we want to play the blame game lets go back to he prinicple authority incharge of this fiasco. It's basicly just another UN fuck up in a long and shameful list of UN fuck ups
My two cents
From the begining this story smelled with bull.
First rule when reading the media is that it is full of bull. And as far as being acurate there is no penalty for printing bull.
The main drive for the media is to make money. By hipe or bull.
The media also has a perfered political party. They will never admit it but they do.
Thirdly, everyone points the finger and argues about the so called report in the paper. Resulting in misguided anger and the sorts.
We should direct our anger at the F***ing media that prints this shit.
Most of the time they know they are printing plausable misinformation. Fully knowing the full story ahead of time.
For example : Today we print 377 million pounds of this missing. Then we print right after enough heat gererated, more half truth. It was only 3 grams of this shit missing. So now everone wants the goverment and every availble bodied person to waste valuable resourses chasing bullshit story from the media.
From the begining this story smelled with bull.
First rule when reading the media is that it is full of bull. And as far as being acurate there is no penalty for printing bull.
The main drive for the media is to make money. By hipe or bull.
The media also has a perfered political party. They will never admit it but they do.
Thirdly, everyone points the finger and argues about the so called report in the paper. Resulting in misguided anger and the sorts.
We should direct our anger at the F***ing media that prints this shit.
Most of the time they know they are printing plausable misinformation. Fully knowing the full story ahead of time.
For example : Today we print 377 million pounds of this missing. Then we print right after enough heat gererated, more half truth. It was only 3 grams of this shit missing. So now everone wants the goverment and every availble bodied person to waste valuable resourses chasing bullshit story from the media.
