Another Good US Kid, Wasted, ....For What?

[WoodPeckr]

Thought the report also said Clinton failed to act.

But the 9/11 attack happened on Bush's watch after Richard Clark among others warned such an attack could happen. Bush ignored these warnings. Clinton fired some missiles into Afghanistan not Iraq, because Bill knew that's where Osama was.......you know Osama wasn't in Bagdad! Back then the GOP whined that Bill didn't get Osama, or didn't send enough missiles in, or that he even should not have fired off those missiles to begin with.

 

[papasmerf]

But the 9/11 attack happened on Bush's watch after Richard Clark among others warned such an attack could happen. Bush ignored these warnings. Clinton fired some missiles into Afghanistan not Iraq, because Bill knew that's where Osama was.......you know Osama wasn't in Bagdad! Back then the GOP whined that Bill didn't get Osama, or didn't send enough missiles in, or that he even should not have fired off those missiles to begin with.

What actions would you have taken where you presented the following: On an unknown day, from an unknown place, by people unknown, an unknown target or targets will be attacked by plane.

How would you have handled that intell?

 

[WoodPeckr]

What actions would you have taken where you presented the following: On an unknown day, from an unknown place, by people unknown, an unknown target or targets will be attacked by plane.

How would you have handled that intell?

Now you are getting to the meat of the matter. This is the position myopic Bush & Co have put themselves AND the USA in!

This was what I was saying when responding to your posted quote earlier stating,
"Na we worry
that is why we wnt to keep the war off out land."

Bush's myopic arrogant positon helped bring those terror attacks to the USA.

 

[papasmerf]

I am sorry woodpecker

But what would you do?

 

[WoodPeckr]

For one the USA has to shift their whole economic corporate policies on how we deal with the world. Present policy only breeds more of what is happening. Bush policy only creates more terrorists than he can kill off. It's a complicated long process and steps on lots of fat-cat GOP corporate toes who basically own Bush as they make tons of money off the status quo.. For this reason many feel present policy will only get worse before it gets better. Death & destruction is all Bush & Co have to offer us.

 

[papasmerf]

For one the USA has to shift their whole economic corporate policies on how we deal with the world. Present policy only breeds more of what is happening. Bush policy only creates more terrorists than he can kill off. It's a complicated long process and steps on lots of fat-cat GOP corporate toes who basically own Bush as they make tons of money off the status quo.. For this reason many feel present policy will only get worse before it gets better. Death & destruction is all Bush & Co have to offer us.

Ummmmmmmm no

Here was the question:
What actions would you have taken where you presented the following: On an unknown day, from an unknown place, by people unknown, an unknown target or targets will be attacked by plane.

How would you have handled that intell?

 

[WoodPeckr]

Ummmmmmmm no

Here was the question:
What actions would you have taken where you presented the following: On an unknown day, from an unknown place, by people unknown, an unknown target or targets will be attacked by plane.

How would you have handled that intell?

I belive Clinton's people had presented Bush with all that evidence and Bush just brushed it all aside because Bush had his sights on Iraq from day 1.

What should have been done is 'followup on that intell' that Bush was given but chose to ignore. 'Perhaps better investigating' on Bush's part could have led to stopping the 9/11 attack.

In the end Osama was created by Reagan and to a lesser extent Bush's father. Osama was trained and created by the 'best' US Special Forces and from the way they still can't find him it looks like nation building has never been a GOP strong point.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Army Spc. Cody L. Wentz was REAL

Alive, dead, fictional or real: I have no idea. Think big, not small, don't be led by a manipulative profit-driven media linked to agenda-driven corporate, religious and governmental power brokers. I repeat, these individual tear-jerkers are usually false in toto, not false conclusions of factual incidences.

The only thing that matters is independant thought.

Rest assured antaeus, Cody was a real person. He had a short life. The American Dream sadly failed for him. This was not a false story.

Here is more on Cody, you can even leave a message remembering Cody at this site:

Fallen Heroes of Operation Iraqi Freedom
Remembering the soldiers who died in the service of their country.
Army Spc. Cody L. Wentz

21, of Williston, North Dakota.
Wentz died in Iraq when an improvised explosive device detonated near his military vehicle while on patrol. He was assigned to 141st Engineer Battalion, Army National Guard, Williston, North Dakota. Died on November 4, 2004.

Please send information, photos, and corrections for Army Spc. Cody L. Wentz.
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Leave a message in memory of this soldier, and/or to the loved ones left behind.

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http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/oif/profiles/wentzcodyl.html

 

[danmand]

Na we worry
that is why we wnt to keep the war off out land.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, now I understand, you only worry about American civilians. How convenient that you don't worry about the 200,000 civilian Iraqis dying because of the war, many of them children.

 

[antaeus]

WoodPeckr - so ok, he's a real person. No probs with that. No probs with your 4th para - 21, of Williston ... dies November.... These are cold, hard facts which can be accepted and are only laced with the emotion of a fallen soldier.

The original newspaper article quote is a manipulative purple prose turgid rant that beggars the imagination. Another strong-opinioned loudmouth with axe to grind desperately trying to be heard. The best lie is one based on truth. My blood boils when media outlets, our major source of information, are so obviously trying to manipulate us. Just give us the facts and let intelligent people form their own opinions, quite likely you'll get a lot of people siding with you anyway without your stupid, tear-jerking badly written emotives. Anyone trying so hard and so stupidly to get me to side with their opinions obviously is wrong, weak or mentally unstable.

I've lived in a war. I saw and read media reports that were false, misleading and obvious partisan exaggerations. Still to this day I have to explain that things weren't really like that, such and such didn't happen.

red...
"Do you think guard units should be sent overseas to iraq? does it fit within their mandate?"
I do not know. This question is relevant for Americans only.

"given the facts of the story, true or not, did the guardsman behave honourably and fulfill his side of the bargain?"
The facts are sparse in this story. As written, the guardsman was honourable.

"... do soldiers have the right to complain?"

Now this is interesting. I have 2 comments, maybe others will have intelligent debate.

1. I surmise for a soldier to have a right to complain then it would be written down in some manual or included in training the armies' standard operating procedure by which a soldier can complain. There's no debate here, such a venue exists or not, someone with actual knowledge is required to contribute.

2. For interest, lets change the words to should complain or authority to complain. I think yes, although it may be the toughest decision a soldier makes. Soldier questioning Rumsfeld about lack of equipment could be construed as complaining.

I close with this quotation, my mantra, explaining that independant thought is required of us:

The subject who is truly loyal to the Chief Magistrate will neither advise nor submit to arbitrary measures. - Junius

 

[WoodPeckr]

... Another strong-opinioned loudmouth with axe to grind desperately trying to be heard. The best lie is one based on truth. My blood boils when media outlets, our major source of information, are so obviously trying to manipulate us.....

antaeus
Couldn't agree with you more on the above points! I to can't for the life of me understand why anyone with a functioning brain could follow the daily rants of that opinioned loudmouth Rush Limbaugh who can only be described as the biggest Blowhard and Fool since Joseph Goebbels! We can only hope Rush meets soon with the same demise that befell Joseph Goebbels....ehhh....let him have all the OxyContin that druggie can swallow.

As far as media outlets trying to manipulate us, well that pretty much defines what FAUX (Fox) News is all about! My blood also boils at how people can become mere mindless lemmimngs swallowing their propaganda as though it were somehow unbiased as they march lockstep into the river behind their piper Rush & Faux news. Obviously this is another example of those wrong, weak or mentally unstable that you alluded to above.

Independent thought is the key to freedom, unfortunately the 'dumbing-down' process of the younger generations is being used to insure they never become capable of using independent thought.

 

[red]

red...
"Do you think guard units should be sent overseas to iraq? does it fit within their mandate?"
I do not know. This question is relevant for Americans only.

"given the facts of the story, true or not, did the guardsman behave honourably and fulfill his side of the bargain?"
The facts are sparse in this story. As written, the guardsman was honourable.

"... do soldiers have the right to complain?"

Now this is interesting. I have 2 comments, maybe others will have intelligent debate.

1. I surmise for a soldier to have a right to complain then it would be written down in some manual or included in training the armies' standard operating procedure by which a soldier can complain. There's no debate here, such a venue exists or not, someone with actual knowledge is required to contribute.

2. For interest, lets change the words to should complain or authority to complain. I think yes, although it may be the toughest decision a soldier makes. Soldier questioning Rumsfeld about lack of equipment could be construed as complaining.
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a private soldier has the right to complain. until he is told to button it. and as long as he follow orders. I am talking about griping - not article 138