Another Chapter in the Profiles in Courage

[LarryL]

I initiated a thread titled " With Friends like this " during the Irag war, with this link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...with_friends_like_this_____&cid=931&ncid=1501

For those of you who have followed the above link to read that article, know what a courageous man Tony Blair is. Here is another related story:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0418/wl_afp/iraq_war_blair_press_030418131630

 

[wollensak]

How about the little Iraqi kid who lost both arms and his entire family? How much courage does he need to go on living?

Dropping fragmentation bombs on unarmed civilians is not the
mark of a brave man but of a coward.

Yes, I'll grant you Tony has the courage of his convictions, but at the end of the day he's still gets to go home to his family with his body intact, even if he loses a parliamentary battle.

 

[ice_dog]

How about the little Iraqi kid who lost both arms and his entire family? How much courage does he need to go on living?

Dropping fragmentation bombs on unarmed civilians is not the
mark of a brave man but of a coward.

Yes, I'll grant you Tony has the courage of his convictions, but at the end of the day he's still gets to go home to his family with his body intact, even if he loses a parliamentary battle.

If Sudam Hussien had agreed to give up and gone into exile prior to March 17, all those bombing, and loss of human lives could have been avoided.

 

[Liminal]

It's odd how we view things

Blair sticks to a position that the majority of his population opposed and we call it the courage of conviction.

If Hussein sticks to his position in the face of overwhelming odds we call it lunacy and meglomania.

 

[Liminal]

I've heard many people say that about their victims

Isn't that what husbands who beat their wives say? If she had only done what I had asked.......

"If Sudam Hussien had agreed to give up and gone into exile prior to March 17, all those bombing, and loss of human lives could have been avoided."

 

[ice_dog]

Re: I've heard many people say that about their victims

Isn't that what husbands who beat their wives say? If she had only done what I had asked.......

"If Sudam Hussien had agreed to give up and gone into exile prior to March 17, all those bombing, and loss of human lives could have been avoided."

Speaking from expereince ? Speaking for yourself ?

 

[Liminal]

Yes, from hearing people like you, Ice Dog

That's been my experience with people who think like you.

And yes I am speaking for how I feel about that kind of logic.

You obviously have some experience dealing with others in this manner, that's why you see things this way.

 

[ice_dog]

Only when I deal with people like you, you know, Liminal means limited in inteligence

 

[badboy]

Re: I've heard many people say that about their victims

If she had only done what I had asked.......

That's probably what Uday would have said about any women who refused his advances in nightclubs...of course they probably never refused...

 

[ice_dog]

I bet Liminal was Uday's boy toy and had a rough time

 

[submissivedave]

What is courage? Ghandi once asked "Who is the braver one; the one standing behind the canon (killing people) or the one standing in front of it (knowing that they will get shot)?"

In this sense, I give the Iraqis credit for bravery simply because they were still willing to defend their homeland knowing that their weapons were outdated and inferior to the US.

Any courageous man will defend thier country and in this sense, Saddam is a courageous man weather you and I like it or not ...

But I guess Saddam thought he would have "luck" on his side like many times in history (e.g. Mongols in Japan, Napolean in Russia, US militia men VS trained Brit soldiers, etc. etc.)

Of course, you can say Saddam is coward because he only kows how to bully his own people while hiding during the dawn of battle. But, isn't that what many leaders do a la Bush (I dont see him in Iraq leading troops)?

 

[xarir]

Casualties of war. The price that is attached to Iraqi freedom. A small sacrafice.

Was Iraqi freedom the aim of this war? I seem to recall hearing something or other about weapons of mass destruction (which have yet to be discovered), but maybe I'm mistaken ...

 

[submissivedave]

Actually, I don't find anything wrong with war. It is wars that write human history. It is these frictions in time that shape and mold us ...

Peace is only a temporary time with no war. War is "normal", peace is not ...

 

[Liminal]

It does, Ice Dog?

According to Ice Dog:

"Liminal means limited in inteligence"

Let's have some fun and test yours. Where did you find that definition?

 

[papasmerf]

Barely perceptable

Websters

and thepapasmerf

 

[Liminal]

Keep Going Ice Dog

First the logic of wife beaters and now this gem:

"I bet Liminal was Uday's boy toy and had a rough time"

Both talk about violence and it seems homosexuality is a topic that cums easily too you. Also, each one paints a picture of a weaker person being hurt by a more powerful person.

Your posts are sadly like a Rorschach test.

 

[Liminal]

Hey Badboy..not just Uday

Badboy said:

"That's probably what Uday would have said about any women who refused his advances in nightclubs...of course they probably never refused"

That's Ice Dog's view of people as well, except he probably does get turned down. He's got all of the Uday's sadism without the power.

 

[train]

Re: Yes, from hearing people like you, Ice Dog

That's been my experience with people who think like you.

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You are obviously unwilling to accept that someone else has a different opinion on this and other matters so there is little point debating . I find it amusing that those that are the quickest to condem others for ' intolerence ' are often then worst offenders .

 

[Liminal]

I guess that's a case in point, train.

A principle well demonstrated.

 

[papasmerf]

Courage under fire is the knowledge that the bullets will continue. No matter if you return fire or not.

Gandhi was indeed a man with a spirt of peace. But do those who quote him share his conviction????