American Sniper

Little known fact...Most Navy Seals wear Superman underwear. Chris Kyle only wore Chuck Norris underwear, but an even lesser known fact about Kyle is that he ate babies. He once ate 10 babies in one sitting just to prove how tough he was. When he was not saving babies, he was eating them. There are multiple accounts of this by trustworthy eye witnesses.

Chris Kyle was also once seen by over a million, billion people as he rode a unicorn into battle and killed a terrorist from over 3,000 yards away using only a rainbow colored rifle and a baby as the projectile.

 
The movie is good, most people here that are complaining about this movie never complained when the Charlie 12 got killed on the original thread. :wink: (12 killed in terror attacks in Paris)
 
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I think what he's trying to say is that if you complain when your allies do something disingenuous and ugly, but fail to complain when bugfuck crazy evil motherfuckers do something bugfuck crazy and evil, then something something something.
 
Saw the movie last night. I was somewhat underwhelmed to be honest. I thought they should have spent more time on his PTSD the ending of the movie to do it justice. I'm not sure why some are raving about this film. For me it was just OK.
 
 
Which would be fine, if that's all that the movie did. But it isn't. The movie also framed the context of the entire war in a big pile of historical revisionist nonsense. It ham-handedly juxtaposes 9/11 over the invasion of Iraq, conveniently ignoring the fact that Afghanistan and nearly 2 years happened first. Even sillier, it depicts American troops fighting against Al Qaeda in Iraq in 2003. What. The. Fuck? NEVER fucking happened. Might as well have them fighting Count Dooku 's army of clone warriors. But hey, why face the uncomfortable truth that it was a local insurgency they were fighting when you can make it look like foreign Al Qaeda boogeymen* were behind it all? If this were just another stupid movie glorifying soldiers doing manly soldier things that would be fine. But it is also designed to lie to America and make Americans feel better about their shitty past. And those who forget their past, are doomed to continue being global belligerents under the mistaken impression of doing good and/or protecting anything other than their most unscrupulous interests. (or summin like that)


*Spoiler alert: The American war in Iraq was fought against local insurgents and led to the forming of flavour-of-the-month evil crazy motherfuckers we must stop at nothing to eliminate, ISIS. By pretending that Al Qadea was in the theatre from the start, we can put a layer of culpability between us and ISIS. But of course, even this bit of fiction ignores the very real fact that thanks to CIA training and funding of rebels in Afghanistan back in the "Soviets were the boogeyman" days, America was also directly responsible for creating the Taliban and other precursors to Al Qaeda. So even if you accept the lies of this flick but peel the onion a bit further, you can still see where the problem truly sits.

A Hollywood movie is not a documentary. It is the life experience of a person seen from his own perspective. In 2003, Americans were convinced that Saddam was behind 911 and believed their government's propaganda that he also had WMD's. There was hubris in the American mind and that's what you see reflected. I actually met one guy in 2003 in the US who flew for a commuter airline, but who also flew Apaches on weekends in the California Army Reserve or California National Guard, and had enthusiastically announced that he was being mobilized. I wonder if he survived.

Of course, the movie is not going to go on about his life failures, like bragging about shooting people in New Orleans, or making things up concerning Jessie Ventura, because nobody would want to watch a movie about an asshole. People would rather want to watch a movie about a hero, or one they perceive as one. But I think that individuals can make up their own mind whether he was indeed a hero, a victim or just someone addicted to an adrenaline rush.

The movie does show the uncomfortable truths about war, like people coming back without limbs, and even without their balls. This guy was a skilled operator and was the product of being brainwashed buy his government and media. Make no mistake about that. That's the way I see this movie.
 
Hollywood uses ‘American Sniper’ to destroy history & create myth

http://medhajnews.com/article.php?id=NjA5OA==

2015-01-23

The moral depravity into which the US is sinking is shown by the movie American Sniper glorifying the exploits of a racist killer receiving six Oscar nominations, whereas ‘Selma’ depicting Martin Luther King’s struggle against racism has received none.

American Sniper is directed by Clint Eastwood, and tells the story of Chris Kyle, a US Navy Seal who served four tours of duty in Iraq as a sniper credited with 160 confirmed “kills”, and earning him the dubious honor of being lauded the most lethal sniper in US military history.

Played by Bradley Cooper, in the movie Kyle is an all-American hero, a Texas cowboy who joins the military out of a sense of patriotism and a yearning for purpose and direction in his life. Throughout the ‘uber-tough’ selection process, Kyle is a bastion of stoicism and determination, willing to bear any amount of pain and hardship for the honor of being able to serve his country as a Navy Seal – America’s equivalent of the Samurai.

The personal struggle he endures as a result of what he experiences and does in Iraq is not motivated by any regrets over the people he kills, including women and children, but on his failure to kill more and thereby save the lives of American soldiers as they go about the business of tearing the country apart, city by city, block by block, and house by house.

If American Sniper wins one Oscar, never mind the six it’s been nominated for, when this annual extravaganza of movie pomp and ceremony unfolds in Hollywood on February 22, it will not only represent an endorsement of US exceptionalism, but worse it will be an insult to the Iraqi people. In the movie they are depicted as a dehumanized mass of savages – occupying the same role as the Indians in John Wayne Western movies of old – responsible for their own suffering and the devastation of their country, which the white man is in the process of civilizing.

Anything resembling balance and perspective is sacrificed in American Sniper to the more pressing needs of US propaganda, which holds that the guys who served in Iraq were the very best of America, men who went through hell in order to protect the freedoms and way of life of their fellow countrymen at home. It is the cult of the soldier writ large, men who in the words of Kyle (Bradley Cooper) in the movie “just want to get the bad guys.”

The ”bad guys” are, as mentioned, the Iraqis. In fact if you had just arrived in the movie theatre from another planet, you would be left in no doubt from the movie’s opening scene that Iraq had invaded and occupied America rather than the other way round.

Unsurprisingly, the real Chris Kyle was not as depicted by Clint Eastwood and played by Bradley Cooper. In his autobiography, upon which the movie is supposedly based, Kyle writes, “I hate the damn savages. I couldn’t give a flying f**k about the Iraqis.”

It is clear that the movie’s director, Clint Eastwood, when faced with the choice between depicting the truth and the myth, decided to go with the myth.

But it should come as no surprise, given that the peddling of such myths is the very currency of Hollywood. Over many decades the US movie industry has proved itself one of the most potent weapons in the armory of US imperialism, helping to project a myth of an America, defined by lofty attributes of courage, freedom, and democracy.

As the myth has it, these values, and with them America itself, are continually under threat from the forces of evil and darkness that lurk outwith and often times within. The mountain of lies told in service to this myth has only been exceeded by the mountain of dead bodies on the basis of it – victims of the carnage and mayhem unleashed around the world by Washington.

Chris Kyle was not the warrior or hero portrayed in American Sniper. He was in fact a racist killer for whom the only good Iraqi was a dead Iraqi. He killed men, women, and children, just as his comrades did during the course of a brutal and barbaric war of aggression waged by the richest country in the world against one of the poorest.

They say that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. In the hands of a movie director with millions of dollars and the backing of a movie studio at its disposal, it is far more dangerous than that. It is a potent weapon deployed against its victims, denying them their right to even be considered victims, exalting in the process, when it comes to Hollywood, those who murder and massacre in the name of America.

With this in mind, it is perhaps fitting that Chris Kyle was shot and killed by a former Marine at a shooting range in Texas in 2013. “Man was born into barbarism,” Martin Luther King said, “when killing his fellow man was a normal condition ofexistence.”
 
Stop giving Chris so much credit. Almost all men, women and children were killed by other Iraqis and Al Qaeda.
 
Interesting article on Chris Kyle's religiosity. Shows you
belief in God not only help one to kill with/without conscience
but also brag about it after the deed. Makes me wonder how
much a better place the world will be when humanity finally
figure out there is no god?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/chris-kyle-religion_n_6471668.html

Religion News Service
01/20/2015

Chris Kyle's Religious Faith Plays Small Part In 'American Sniper'

Chris Kyle, often described as the most lethal sniper in U.S. military history, wrote in his autobiography that he prioritized his life in the following order: God, country, family.

But God doesn’t make a central appearance in the film “American Sniper,” which opens nationwide on Friday (Jan. 16). The film offers a few similarities to “Unbroken,” Angelina Jolie’s recent World War II epic about POW Louis Zamperini.

Both stories focus on the dramatic stories of warriors who died before the movie versions of their lives came out. Both “American Sniper” and “Unbroken” include an early scene of their families sitting in church. Both men struggle with substance abuse after returning from war.

And both films largely skirt the faith that Kyle and Zamperini said were key to their identity — and their survival.

As a Navy SEAL, Kyle reportedly recorded 160 kill shots during his four tours in Iraq. His story drew national attention after the release of his 2012 autobiography “American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History,” which enjoyed a 37-week run on The New York Times’ best-seller list.

The Clint Eastwood-directed biopic starring Bradley Cooper debuted with a limited release on Christmas Day, the same day “Unbroken” opened nationwide.

Kyle opened his book by probing the ethics of combat as he wrote about his first sniper shot, when he had to kill an Iraqi woman holding a grenade.

“My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman’s twisted soul,” he wrote. “I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day.”

In the film adaptation, Kyle is visibly moved by his first shot and later mentions meeting his maker and justifying each shot he took. He writes that he spent a lot of time praying during difficult times.

In 2013, Kyle was shot and killed at a Texas shooting range; Eddie Ray Routh, a fellow Iraq veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, was charged in Kyle’s death and is scheduled to stand trial in February. Former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, sparked a backlash after he tweeted a biblical reference: “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.”

Kyle was no straight-laced Christian. His book is filled with profanities and stories of his family struggles. But faith is nonetheless woven throughout the book.

“I was raised with, and still believe in, the Christian faith. If I had to order my priorities, they would be God, Country, Family,” Kyle wrote. “There might be some debate on where those last two fall — these days I’ve come around to believe that Family may, under some circumstances, outrank Country. But it’s a close race.”

The God, country, family line is mentioned in passing in the film after another soldier asks Kyle if he believes in God. “There’s evil,” Cooper says. “We’ve seen it.”

In the film, Kyle is shown putting his Bible in the pocket of his uniform.

“I’m not the kind of person who makes a big show out of religion,” Kyle writes in the book. “I believe, but I don’t necessarily get down on my knees or sing real loud in church. But I find some comfort in faith, and I found it in those days after my friends had been shot up. Ever since I had gone through BUD/S (SEAL training), I’d carried a Bible with me. I hadn’t read it all that much, but it had always been with me. Now I opened it and read some of the passages. I skipped around, read a bit, skipped around some more. With all hell breaking loose around me, it felt better to know I was part of something bigger.”

In his book, Kyle wrote about how his family shaped his faith during his upbringing.

“My family had a deep faith in God. My dad was a deacon, and my mom taught Sunday school,” Kyle wrote. “I remember a stretch when I was young when we would go to church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday evening. Still we didn’t consider ourselves overly religious, just good people who believed in God and were involved in our church. Truth is, back then, I didn’t like going a lot of the time.”

Islam is mentioned a few times in his book, though the faith doesn’t have a starring role in the film except when Kyle is asked to defend a shot after a wife claimed the victim was carrying a Quran. In his book, Kyle writes that he told an Army colonel: “I don’t shoot people with Korans. I’d like to, but I don’t.” The Muslim call to prayer appears twice in the film, but it doesn’t probe the differences between Sunnis and Shiites the way Kyle does in his book.

“I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting,” Kyle wrote. “I never once fought for the Iraqis. I could give a flying f**k about them.”

A 2013 New Yorker profile mentions Kyle’s faith as a deep motivator in his work: “Like many soldiers, Kyle was deeply religious and saw the Iraq War through that prism,” journalist Nicholas Schmidle wrote. “He tattooed one of his arms with a red crusader’s cross, wanting ‘everyone to know I was a Christian.’”

Stories of Kyle’s shootings earned him the nickname “Legend.”

“I don’t spend a lot of time philosophizing about killing people. I have a clear conscience about my role in the war. I am a strong Christian. Not a perfect one — not close. But I strongly believe in God, Jesus, and the Bible. When I die, God is going to hold me accountable for everything I’ve done on earth. He may hold me back until last and run everybody else through the line, because it will take so long to go over all my sins.”

Kyle also wrote that he didn’t know what would happen on Judgment Day.

“But what I lean toward is that you know all of your sins, and God knows them all, and shame comes over you at the reality that He knows. I believe the fact that I’ve accepted Jesus as my savior will be my salvation,” he wrote. “But in that backroom or whatever it is when God confronts me with my sins, I do not believe any of the kills I had during the war will be among them. Everyone I shot was evil. I had good cause on every shot. They all deserved to die.”
 
The movie has beat Private Ryan's record in Sales....Fury is also a good movie if you like war movies.

‘Iraqi Muslim’ Interpreter Has More Than a Few Words for People Who Claim Chris Kyle Was ‘Racist’

“He treated me, an Iraqi Muslim, like a brother. So everyone needs to give him the respect that he fully deserves, and finally let the man rest in peace,” he concluded.

One of the repeated allegations made against legendary Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle is that he was “racist” because he referred to radical Islamic militants in Iraq as “savages.” Just on Tuesday, MSNBC’s foreign correspondent claimed that “some” people believe Kyle was open about his “racist tendencies” as he went on “killing sprees” while serving in Iraq.

But on Friday, IJReview reportedly spoke to “Johnny Walker,” who apparently worked with Navy SEALs, including Kyle, as an interpreter. The self-described “Iraqi Muslim” hit back strongly against claims that Kyle was a “racist” hellbent on killing Iraqis.

Walker claimed Kyle once told him that he trusted him with his life and later invited him to one of his book signings in La Jolla, an affluent suburb of San Diego.

“When Chris saw me at the event he left everyone and just came up to me and hugged me. Because he hadn’t seen me since 2007 and thought I could have died and had no idea where I was,” Walker told IJReview. “After he signed the book, he was going to speak. Ten seconds into his speech, he said I am not an American hero. Johnny Walker is the American hero and then he made me stand up.”

“Then, he said that I saved more SEALs’ lives than him. Pointing at me, and I am an Iraqi Muslim. So how is this racist?” he added.

Read more from the IJReview interview:

Sometimes I would forget to bring an MRE to a sniper mission. Chris would share his MRE and he would talk about family. If he was racist towards Muslims why would he share intimate details of his life with a Muslim? I don’t see that in any way as racist. I think the ones calling Chris Kyle racist are racists.

If you’re going to call Chris Kyle racist, then call me a racist too. At times we were on the base, Kyle would laugh with the other Iraqi soldiers and joke with them. Again, why would a racist engage in that behavior?

The insurgents had a $50,000.00 bounty on my head. Every time Chris Kyle killed an insurgent he saved my family, and the innocent Iraqi families too. Why would a racist man protect me and innocent Iraqi families?

Walker continued to slam critics who make what he believes are baseless against Kyle, saying it hurts his widow, Taya, his children, the rest of his family and even members of the SEAL community.

“He treated me, an Iraqi Muslim, like a brother. So everyone needs to give him the respect that he fully deserves, and finally let the man rest in peace,” he concluded.
 
It's nice that the fellow whose livelihood and very life was tied into the American presence has nothing but good things to say about Kyle, who no doubt treated his tame Iraqi with patronizing affection, if not respect. Meanwhile, Kyle's own words paint a portrait of a slightly less, shall we say, racially sensitive paragon of virtue:

“Savage, despicable evil,” Kyle wrote of those he was killing from rooftops and windows. “That’s what we were fighting in Iraq. That’s why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy ‘savages.’… I only wish I had killed more.” At another point he writes: “I loved killing bad guys. … I loved what I did. I still do … it was fun. I had the time of my life being a SEAL.” He labels Iraqis “fanatics” and writes “they hated us because we weren’t Muslims.” He claims “the fanatics we fought valued nothing but their twisted interpretation of religion.”

“I never once fought for the Iraqis,” he wrote of our Iraqi allies. “I could give a flying fuck about them.”

The whole Hedges article is worth a read, really: http://www.truthdig.com/report/page3/killing_ragheads_for_jesus_20150125
 
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