Alec Baldwin leaves msg for his daughter
- Thread starter danmand
- Start date
Baldwins access should be court defined and court enforced, and for the time being, supervised until a full evaluation of his emotional and mental state can be fully assessed. I'd hate to see the kid alienated from her father just because he has a big mouth. I would also hate to see her in an unsupervised situation if he has been driven to anger.
In the past I had troubles visiting my own kids. If I can taken it in stride I realize now that PAS or Parental Alienation Syndrome might have made it harder to resume regular access. From time to time, to keep my relationship and visits going, I have had to get on my kids cases. Noone likes incidents and confrontations. The kids also got tired of the back and forth and eventually lost sight of the reason why it was necessary.
But rememberin they are kids in need of structure and boundaries I never lost sight of the fact that they needed to be told what their boundaries were.
Baldwin's was cancelling her own visits or her mother was helping her. In either case she was getting mixed messages about her perogatives to control the schedule so that Dad Alec could be quietly phased out. Obviously the mother was either acting out of some kind of insecurity -- trying to solidify her relationship with her daughter by interfering with her visits, or possibly just out of hatred and revenge - ruining the visits to punish the dad with little care as to how it affects the child. Who would have ever guessed that celebs are not above pettiness and immaturity?
I am reminded of an extreme case that appeared in the news about 10 years ago. A couple split while their child was 6 months old. The father had court defined access. The mother took it upon herself to cancel visits for "exceptions" in cases of special occasions and illness. Wouldn't you know it but in four years of visits, there was always a birthday party, asthma attack, cold or flu that prevented visitation. Thie father, named Richard Dadd, did not see his daughter for the first five years of her life. The courts moved slowly. Despite his attempts to get the courts or police to act to enforce the order, he spent more than 4 years away from his daughter. . The mom was eventually sentenced to 60 days in jail but reelased after 8 days, the point being made. This case was being advocated on both sides by various self appointed social justice groups.
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/jailed.php
Disgusting that they shortened her sentence for no other reason than "point made". Equally amazing was the comparable case also advocated by the ame groups -- where a father was jailed for 90 days for failing to provide support payments. So apparently money that a man cant afford to pay is more significant than access that a mother deliberately witholds for selfish reasons. The system is screwed up. Anyone who doesn't get frustrated isn't fully sane.
In the past I had troubles visiting my own kids. If I can taken it in stride I realize now that PAS or Parental Alienation Syndrome might have made it harder to resume regular access. From time to time, to keep my relationship and visits going, I have had to get on my kids cases. Noone likes incidents and confrontations. The kids also got tired of the back and forth and eventually lost sight of the reason why it was necessary.
But rememberin they are kids in need of structure and boundaries I never lost sight of the fact that they needed to be told what their boundaries were.
Baldwin's was cancelling her own visits or her mother was helping her. In either case she was getting mixed messages about her perogatives to control the schedule so that Dad Alec could be quietly phased out. Obviously the mother was either acting out of some kind of insecurity -- trying to solidify her relationship with her daughter by interfering with her visits, or possibly just out of hatred and revenge - ruining the visits to punish the dad with little care as to how it affects the child. Who would have ever guessed that celebs are not above pettiness and immaturity?
I am reminded of an extreme case that appeared in the news about 10 years ago. A couple split while their child was 6 months old. The father had court defined access. The mother took it upon herself to cancel visits for "exceptions" in cases of special occasions and illness. Wouldn't you know it but in four years of visits, there was always a birthday party, asthma attack, cold or flu that prevented visitation. Thie father, named Richard Dadd, did not see his daughter for the first five years of her life. The courts moved slowly. Despite his attempts to get the courts or police to act to enforce the order, he spent more than 4 years away from his daughter. . The mom was eventually sentenced to 60 days in jail but reelased after 8 days, the point being made. This case was being advocated on both sides by various self appointed social justice groups.
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/jailed.php
Disgusting that they shortened her sentence for no other reason than "point made". Equally amazing was the comparable case also advocated by the ame groups -- where a father was jailed for 90 days for failing to provide support payments. So apparently money that a man cant afford to pay is more significant than access that a mother deliberately witholds for selfish reasons. The system is screwed up. Anyone who doesn't get frustrated isn't fully sane.
Holy hyperbole, Batman. You're nuts, buddy. Cut off from his daughter forever for giving her shit. Good grief.eric42 said:
Just so long as you agree that Kim, or Kim's friend, or Kim's Lawyer should have to serve more than "slap on the wrist" jail time for violating the court order (and if the Lawyer, disbarment as well).eric42 said:
This reminds of me of a point that the hilarious comedian Louis CK has said.
"When you don't have kids and you hear a parent really coming down hard on their kids you think 'what a horrible person!'. And then when you do have kids and you're in the same situation where a parent is coming down hard on their kids you think 'what did that little fucker do?'"
Not that the situation with alec is at all funny, but sometime comedians really know how to put perspective on things.
"When you don't have kids and you hear a parent really coming down hard on their kids you think 'what a horrible person!'. And then when you do have kids and you're in the same situation where a parent is coming down hard on their kids you think 'what did that little fucker do?'"
Not that the situation with alec is at all funny, but sometime comedians really know how to put perspective on things.
Please.....(in my best Ozzie Guillen voice)
....obviously you people that are hanging Baldwin, and burning him at the stake for his message must be the purest, holiest, people on the planet. I will agree, that based on his daughter only being 12, that the message is way extreme, but how many of you have said things...to your kids, brothers,siters, parents, girlfriends/boyfriends, best freinds....that would make Baldwin's message sound like a reading from a nursury rhyme.??...ever use that 4 letter word to refer to a woman who pissed you off???.....ever call some woman a whore...an f/in bitch??...there are a million things that we all have said to people that we wish we could take back...but we are not "hollywoods"..and it is not on tape and on the internet for millions to hear and judge.
Baldwin's public personna is that of an incredibly big asshole....long before this episode, and this will do nothing to improve it. He is being judged because he is a jerkoff,and quite unlikeable. However, to make statements like "he should never see his kid again" based on 1.5 mins of audio, when he lost it,probably after being fucked around for the hundreth time by his ex...after he has fucked his wife around for the hundnreth time, in the typical nasty battles that go on between ex'es...is totally out of touch with reality. None of us have any way of knwoing what kind of a dad he is..or what kind of mom his ex is.. I don't buy any arguement that says the girl would be in any physical harm because of his tirade. To me it's the usual headgame stuff that goes on between exes...especially when there are huge bucks at stake..or if the exes can't let it go...
Just a quick edit...humbucker really nailed it..if you're over 30..spend some time with pre teen to late teen kids.....and tell me if you can keep your cool at all times
N2G
....obviously you people that are hanging Baldwin, and burning him at the stake for his message must be the purest, holiest, people on the planet. I will agree, that based on his daughter only being 12, that the message is way extreme, but how many of you have said things...to your kids, brothers,siters, parents, girlfriends/boyfriends, best freinds....that would make Baldwin's message sound like a reading from a nursury rhyme.??...ever use that 4 letter word to refer to a woman who pissed you off???.....ever call some woman a whore...an f/in bitch??...there are a million things that we all have said to people that we wish we could take back...but we are not "hollywoods"..and it is not on tape and on the internet for millions to hear and judge.
Baldwin's public personna is that of an incredibly big asshole....long before this episode, and this will do nothing to improve it. He is being judged because he is a jerkoff,and quite unlikeable. However, to make statements like "he should never see his kid again" based on 1.5 mins of audio, when he lost it,probably after being fucked around for the hundreth time by his ex...after he has fucked his wife around for the hundnreth time, in the typical nasty battles that go on between ex'es...is totally out of touch with reality. None of us have any way of knwoing what kind of a dad he is..or what kind of mom his ex is.. I don't buy any arguement that says the girl would be in any physical harm because of his tirade. To me it's the usual headgame stuff that goes on between exes...especially when there are huge bucks at stake..or if the exes can't let it go...
Just a quick edit...humbucker really nailed it..if you're over 30..spend some time with pre teen to late teen kids.....and tell me if you can keep your cool at all times
N2G
Pump.......pump............pumpkin seeds:
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/04/30/bwe-presents-alec-baldwin-in-over-the-edge/
http://www.bestweekever.tv/2007/04/30/bwe-presents-alec-baldwin-in-over-the-edge/
This clip is hilarious, it gets even funnier when the violins start 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8H6dQ2WfBQ
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8H6dQ2WfBQ
.
I can't condone Baldwins use of the word pig..but I can relate to his frustration.
I lost it in the same way with my son when he was 19...
Yes..a lot older than 11 or 12.
Having been embroiled in a long battled divorce that set my children apart as pawns to be used against me I can well understand the frustration and bitterness.
I chose not to fight back. I did that to let the children come to their own conclusions when they were ready to make decisions.
It has worked.
I refused to argue with the ex in front of them and never ever spoke ill of their mother when they were with me. It was not their battle, it was mine and they were not soldiers in an army.
I never ever made them come visit unless they wanted to. ( I always saw them twice a week for dinner and spoke o them everyday)
They were put in a very bad position. If you see your Father it means you don't love me (the mother). No one should go through that.
But the best thing and the hardest to do was to recognize that they needed to not be forced. They needed to tell her that they wanted to visit when they wanted.
And that worked.
I sympathize with Baldwin in his divorce. Being put in a situation where your ex or your kids play you is not good and very frustrating. I think the young girl is being directed by Mom a bit here. Call dad..tell him when to call and do not answer.
Daughter doesn't understand ut Mom sure does.
Either way..its a sad situation for all. Worse when one side decides to reveal his frustration. It wasn't warranted.
I lost it in the same way with my son when he was 19...
Yes..a lot older than 11 or 12.
Having been embroiled in a long battled divorce that set my children apart as pawns to be used against me I can well understand the frustration and bitterness.
I chose not to fight back. I did that to let the children come to their own conclusions when they were ready to make decisions.
It has worked.
I refused to argue with the ex in front of them and never ever spoke ill of their mother when they were with me. It was not their battle, it was mine and they were not soldiers in an army.
I never ever made them come visit unless they wanted to. ( I always saw them twice a week for dinner and spoke o them everyday)
They were put in a very bad position. If you see your Father it means you don't love me (the mother). No one should go through that.
But the best thing and the hardest to do was to recognize that they needed to not be forced. They needed to tell her that they wanted to visit when they wanted.
And that worked.
I sympathize with Baldwin in his divorce. Being put in a situation where your ex or your kids play you is not good and very frustrating. I think the young girl is being directed by Mom a bit here. Call dad..tell him when to call and do not answer.
Daughter doesn't understand ut Mom sure does.
Either way..its a sad situation for all. Worse when one side decides to reveal his frustration. It wasn't warranted.
Alexa Taylor said:
sigh..
you know....parenting isnt always going to be buttered scones and tea and you cant always be Mr Rogers. Sometimes kids need "tough love". Something I think parents these days just arent capable of which is pathetic. Now that was a little over the top for a twelve year old, but I can feel his frustration.
When you're dealing with your child; a person you have all kinds of crazy emotions and feelings for...Sometimes you can just fly off the handle. You mean well, but your emotions are just going crazy because you're so hurt and or disappointed that things come out wrong. It happens Alexa. I'm not saying its cool or that his actions were spot on, but it happens. At least he cares to give her shit because you can tell hes hurt. If he didnt care he'd just blow her off completely.
God knows my parents have called me worse in the fit of anger; and at the time I was like "they're crazy..blah blah blah"...but you get over it and you see things so much clearer in hindsight. You grow up and you see how much of a douche you were and you come to terms that nobody (including mum and dad) are perfect ...... and you understand.
and after all that when its all said and done..... I have all the respect in the world for my parents because I understand now...I love them to death and I think they were outstanding parents.
That was pretty emotional, he lost it, but big deal? I suffered much worse and although I know my parents made mistakes (and they admit they do) with their temper, I truly believe I am better off for having parents who cared than parents who wanted only to be my best friend. Those quick to judge - do you have kids of your own? Do you never lose your temper? Do you know how you sound when you do? I bet you'd be surprised. My wife may say I'm too harsh at times, yet if she only heard herself...and no, I'm not stupid enough to mention this to her.
