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Mack Bolan

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CNE Air Show!

A must see for all you who would want to see the F-22 Raptor.
Well your in for a treat! I've seen it do thing I didn't was possible.
I wouldn't want to face he craft in a fight. You might as well punch out when you know (if you know) there. I don't see how a heat seeker could keep a lock on and radar guide misile might not be able to lock on either.
It can fly as slow at 100 MPH and it quiet.....
Just a GREAT Show....I hope to buy one:D
 
I haven't seen the show but I saw the discovery channel special on the competition among the top 3 for what would become the next fighter....

The hover and VTOL capabilities for a fighter are amazing....
 
tboy said:
I haven't seen the show but I saw the discovery channel special on the competition among the top 3 for what would become the next fighter....

The hover and VTOL capabilities for a fighter are amazing....
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Also impressive but not the same bird. You're thinking JSF, he's talking F-22.
 
Was that the one that did the seemingly slo-mo slide/flip/loop and looked to hang in the air upside down for a moment?
 
tboy said:
I haven't seen the show but I saw the discovery channel special on the competition among the top 3 for what would become the next fighter....

The hover and VTOL capabilities for a fighter are amazing....
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the f-22 is a pure air dominance fighter with no equal. it cost about 100 million each. the f-22 doesn't hover and have vtol abilities. you're thinking about the f-35 which is to replace the harrier and the a-6.

the f-22 is truly a beauty aircraft.
 
This plane with it "vector thrust" , what just something I never thought I would see. It did moves, that I didn't think possible, even with a VSTOL craft. It look like it can almost flip on itself and change directions. I'm not talking a roll or or twist. It can fly slow and quiet (for a jet engine) and then zoom stright up. Stop stright up and go into a flat slow spin, like the plane lost control and then you see him fly off to the left or right after so many slow turns. YOU wouldn't belive what this craft is capable of doing.
Then the do a flyby with a F-16C and P51... The P51 sounded so sweat. It look like a little toy when you see it flying at nearly top speed with both jets.
I feel sorry for anyone who ends up fighting the USAF F-22. The only way to beat it whould be a swam attack with UAV or very cheap fighter with poorly trained pilots. Even a F-15 wouldn't last againt this fighter.

I don't know who would come out on top in a F-22 vs. a Su-37 "Flanker-F". In a missle fight, I think the F-22 with it's advance weapons systems would have the edge. But in a knife fight, who knows. They both have a "vector thrust" system and the Russian are ahead or have being using them longer. It could all come down to training and software.

The JAF, is smilar in many ways, in both of it's version (VSTOL and non-VSTOL). I've not seen a side by side compare of the two. I'm guessing the F-22 is larger and might require a higher take off speed and landing speeds.
A naval craft has to have a stronger airfame due to the demands of sea duty.

Years ago MicroProse made a game based on the F-22 (or similar craft) and you would be suprised at how right they were with the game. I've seen the shows about the F-22 and MDF/controls shown of the sims in the US look like the game sims. Hell they have kids come into the contracter test site and ask them to fly a dumbed version. You know what the kids can fly it and they make suggestions on make the cockpit arangements. The system designer, did comment on the fact that these kids are now the same age as the pilots of the future F-22 operational squardons. They know that the pilot is sitting in a "work station" that happens to be in a jet fighter. I'm not sure if they are using the new helmet target system yet. That will make a big improvement in a engaement.
All I can say, if you get a chance to see it fly, do so. It may be sometime before it comes to Toronto again. After all this is the first time USAF has shown it outside of CONUS.
 
Mack Bolan said:
The JAF, is smilar in many ways, in both of it's version (VSTOL and non-VSTOL). I've not seen a side by side compare of the two.....
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As to which is "better", consider this.... JSF is available for export sale to almost any friendly nation with the cash. Raptor is not, to the great displeasure of several potential frontline countries such as Japan.
 
stang said:
Also impressive but not the same bird. You're thinking JSF, he's talking F-22.
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I guess it was the competition between Locheed Martin and McDonnell for both planes that threw me.....now I remember: the F-22 has all it's weapons stored inboard for less drag.....
 
lookingforitallthetime said:
I believe this was designed more for stealth than creating less drag.
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Actually, it is arguable as to the original reason for doing it as it accomplishes both......outboard stores DO produce a tremendous amount of drag AND a large radar picture so......
 
Mack Bolan said:
CNE Air Show!

A must see for all you who would want to see the F-22 Raptor.
Well your in for a treat! I've seen it do thing I didn't was possible.
I wouldn't want to face he craft in a fight. You might as well punch out when you know (if you know) there. I don't see how a heat seeker could keep a lock on and radar guide misile might not be able to lock on either.
It can fly as slow at 100 MPH and it quiet.....
Just a GREAT Show....I hope to buy one:D
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Even for a guy with connections like yourself... about a cool $200-400$Mill$. ah... maybe just call in a favor from one of your associates.

i read the entire Mack Bolan collection bk in me hight school days
 
basketcase said:
Was that the one that did the seemingly slo-mo slide/flip/loop and looked to hang in the air upside down for a moment?
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Yea, it almost appeared to hover in the air for a few seconds. I'm sure it's an optical illusion because it's still moving, just slower than normal. It's a big plane too, almost twice the size as an F16.

The one trick that was cool was the real tight loop (nose over tail) he did, almost in 3 or 4 airplane lengths.

It really is a huge step in performance com[pared to the F16 and F18
 
Question to ponder:


If they had an air show in some arab country , would they play " Magic Carpet Ride" during the flyby?:D


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tboy said:
Actually, it is arguable as to the original reason for doing it as it accomplishes both......outboard stores DO produce a tremendous amount of drag AND a large radar picture so......
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Fair enough, makes sense to me.
 
LancsLad said:
Question to ponder:


If they had an air show in some arab country , would they play " Magic Carpet Ride" during the flyby?:D


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Funny you say that because I was thinking while hearing the jets buzz around all weekend: We get all horned up for this yet ppl in iraq and afghanistan see an 'air show' every day.....
 
tboy said:
Funny you say that because I was thinking while hearing the jets buzz around all weekend: We get all horned up for this yet ppl in iraq and afghanistan see an 'air show' every day.....
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Really?

I am sure you did not intend to be insensitive, but give a thought to
the tens of tyhousands of people who were killed during the
"shock and Awe" airshow.
 
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