Aftermath Population overload

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What will happened if the world's population doubled in an instant



English with Vietnamese subtitles
 
Watch a documentary on Netflix called Cowspiracy to see the effect that 5.5 billion more people in the past 100 years is having on Earth.
 
Don't worry, by 2050 the world population will begin to shrink, and boy, oh boy, just wait till you see what that does to economic growth. Permanent recesison and deflation
 
barnacler said:
Don't worry, by 2050 the world population will begin to shrink, and boy, oh boy, just wait till you see what that does to economic growth. Permanent recesison and deflation
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Yep. All advanced economic systems are based on continual population growth. Obviously that's unsustainable at some point. Doesn't help that we're living longer either.
 
The rich world is actually shrinking population while the poor are increasing .... Backwards really.

Automation will hit the poor hard, the demand for low skill labor will decline and wealth will concentrate towards those who produce IP in the rich world.
 
Scarlett Mae said:
Polluton - nuke and water and solar and wind only, impose tariffs on cars
Food - reduce wastage, rooftop and wall gardens, develop efficient farming methods, dramatically reduce meat and dairy consumption
Water - use less by imposing rations etc, and convert salt water
Population - 1 child limit, encourage adoption by lowering fees, make better and cheaper birth control (a shot that makes you infertile for a year maybe?)
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Many would say those are radical ideas. But many are incapable of understanding, or choose not to understand, the scope of the problems we face.

Changing 100% of our energy to renewable sources is something we'll have to do eventually. But it'll take one hell of an upheaval for it to happen. Imposing tariffs on cars is, IMO, a bad idea. Drivers are already taxed and otherwise charged through the roof.
I agree that we need to reduce meat consumption. The Western world already consumes far too much red meat for its own good. It's also scary that most of the Western world doesn't know how to grow its own food, thereby making things hairy if (when) a disaster strikes.
Rationing of water helps to an extent if its enforced. Converting salt water to drinkable water is bloody expensive, resource-intensive and as such not a viable strategy...yet.
Very few would stand for a 1-child limit in the Western world, and they'd point at China and shout "patriarchy!" at the top of their lungs. We should 100% be encouraging adoption...there should be no fee whatsoever.
 
I don't think we in Canada have a problem with that. We are the second largest country in the world.
Russia no 1 population 144,000.000
Canada no 2 population 36,000,000
 
Fact
Rank Name 2012 population
1 New York City 18,718,000
2 Los Angeles 12,298,000
3 Chicago 8,814,000
4 Toronto 6,054,000
 
Scarlett Mae said:
Polluton - nuke and water and solar and wind only, impose tariffs on cars
Food - reduce wastage, rooftop and wall gardens, develop efficient farming methods, dramatically reduce meat and dairy consumption
Water - use less by imposing rations etc, and convert salt water
Population - 1 child limit, encourage adoption by lowering fees, make better and cheaper birth control (a shot that makes you infertile for a year maybe?)
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Most of these are not attainable, beside rationing water. Economic factors are big impediment for this. Are you willing to pay $500 + a month on your utility bill. Farming in western world is very efficient already.
China tried 1 child policy and didn't work. The only way to reduce population growth is by education and economic improvement of third world countries. Population in the west is shrinking.
 
peter4025 said:
Most of these are not attainable, beside rationing water. Economic factors are big impediment for this. Are you willing to pay $500 + a month on your utility bill. Farming in western world is very efficient already.
China tried 1 child policy and didn't work. The only way to reduce population growth is by education and economic improvement of third world countries. Population in the west is shrinking.
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Population in the true West is not shrinking. Both Canada and the U.S. are growing. Europe is expected to be stable. Japan will decline, which is a big problem as they have one of the highest life expectancies.

Actually, what Scarlett Mae has suggested is attainable. She has admitted that it would take close to a dictatorship to get it done. Human nature is such that greed and procrastination will make it so we get smacked in the face with these problems down the road, rather than address them now.

Btw, China's 1-child policy did work to reduce their population growth. Even pessimistic studies of the policy suggest it reduced China's population by 100M, and most studies peg it in the 200M - 300M range. Of course, that's not to say it didn't create a host of problems, such as a radical gender divide.
 
Sigh.

People have this silly tendency to see the world going to hell whereas in reality the world is getting better and better all the time.

Met and dairy are healthy, and I intend to eat more of it.

I like driving cars, it gives me pleasure, I like travel and vacations (pity that Scarlett never goes on vacations)

Water - just allow it to be priced properly.

Like I said, overpopulation is not nor has it ever really been a problem
 
These things tend to balance themselves out anyway. During the great depression, people couldn't afford to have kids, so what happened? They stop having them and population declined.

Think about even this generation and how many kids families are having. When I was young, I had two siblings which seemed to be average. Many of my friends had that amount or more. To have four kids wasn't uncommon. Now people are having one or two kids, and three is rare.

Population will start to decline. The link below is an article supporting my post.

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...y_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html
 
Scarlett Mae said:
If the world goes to shit borders won't mean much
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No but those big oceans will.

The population projections are all based on current growth rates- but they will plateau and begin to decline like populations in the west.

Malthus was wrong and will continue to be wrong
 
barnacler said:
Like I said, overpopulation is not nor has it ever really been a problem
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Overpopulation in China and India in some way actually
has benefited global economy enormously by providing
the world cheap goods and services with their large
excess of labour resources. A bonus is much of the pollution
associated with manufacturing are kept away from us.
 
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