Actor James Woods is reportedly one of the world's smartest people

[frankcastle]

Fuji made this thing way too complicated
50% mensa members went to college
30% Americans went

More education means higher income fact.
Therefore mensa members should earn more than non mensa members.

 

[Cypher]

Statistics are insidious little deterrents to:
a/ Success
b/ Truth
c/ Getting laid
d/ All of the above

 

[Butchers Dog]

Sorry to change the subject but James Woods has never impressed me as an actor. I can't think of a single movie in which he has been the principle actor. I think he just doesn't have the chops to carry a movie. Even as a supporting actor, I will go as far to say he actually turns me off a movie the second he shows up. Joe Pesci does the same thing for me. I am not sure why, just don't care for him.

BD

 

[Cypher]

... I can't think of a single movie in which he has been the principle actor...
BD

Salvador, but that's really going back. Pretty good movie though.

 

[basketcase]

Statistics are insidious little deterrents to:
a/ Success
b/ Truth
c/ Getting laid
d/ All of the above

Wait, I'm good at puzzles. I'll go with e/ understanding fuji's arguments


On the topic of intelligence including the ability to adapt to a changing environment, anyone want to take bets on how fuji responds to data showing how wrong he is? I'll put my money on continuing to claim he's right, reposting the same tired scatter plot, then disappear from the thread.

 

[frankcastle]

Wait, I'm good at puzzles. I'll go with e/ understanding fuji's arguments


Since we all seem to accept that intelligence includes the ability to adapt to a changing environment, anyone want to take bets on how fuji responds to data showing how wrong he is? I'll put my money on continuing to claim he's right, repost the same tired scatter plot, then disappear from the thread.

LOL I'll go with the fuji school of debate pick one answer and insist it is right without conceding and take proof that doesn't even fit and try and make it fit.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So, the final answer is = fuji is stoopid. Or did I miss sumthin ???? :happy:
("sumthin" was misspelled on purpose, yo)




But really, is fuji stoopid??????

 

[Breeze]

I think it's 160 for the 4 year old.

Malcolm Gladwell introduces Chris Langan in his book Outliers. Two chapters called The Trouble With Geniuses.

Here's a quote that I think is good for the topic...

The relationship between success and IQ works only up to a point. Once someone has reached an IQ of somewhere around 120, having additional IQ points does't seem to translate into any measureable real world advantage.

Ive heard this as well. I've read somewhere that emotional intelligence is just as or arguably more important in life that general global intelligence, the ability to relate to people. Obviously providing that someone is generally intelligent to begin with.

It makes sense, being able to design a spaceship can do you no good in the real world if your'e socially inept.

 

[Hip]

 

[Cypher]

...I've read somewhere that emotional intelligence is just as or arguably more important in life...

I agree with this too. I think emotional intelligence is tremendously undervalued and overlooked, hence wisdom so hard to find.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I agree with this too. I think emotional intelligence is tremendously undervalued and overlooked, hence wisdom so hard to find

Truth.

Life is 90% what happens to you, and 10% how you react to it (some coach said that)

 

[fun-guy]

Damn, this thread is some funny shit...........couldn't stop laughing throughout it all and I don't usually read threads that are so long and go around and around, lol.

Personal experience in over 35 years in business I can say I'm sick and tired of lending Mensa members money and not being paid back, won't do it anymore.

 

[frankcastle]

I agree with this too. I think emotional intelligence is tremendously undervalued and overlooked, hence wisdom so hard to find.

Sure I agree that raw intellingence as measured by IQ is most useful when tempered/balanced with other social/emotional skills.

I'm sure there are stereotypical nerds with the high IQ and low emotional intelligence. But I'm sure you'll find the whole spectrum of people ranging from cretins who lack both to trendsetters who have both...... and everything in between.

My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not suggesting anyone other than Fuji has stated that and even he may not have come outright and said it. But certainly his complaint that Mensa doesn't test for emotional intelligence suggests his belief that those who make the cut are lacking in it.

But in Mensa's defense they are pretty clear about their expectations and don't pretend to be more than that. I think it's unfair to expect Mensa to now say that people must have an IQ and emotional intelligence test. It's kinda like saying to be in the NBA you have to be an elite basketball player and oh you should be a good skater as well.

 

[Rockslinger]

do you no good in the real world if your'e socially inept.

Charm and B/S skills can get you far in life. At the end of the day, you need to be able to convince people to trust you, right or wrong. That is why fraudsters are so successful. That is also why Don Juan gets laid every night for free.

 

[diehard]

so what's the deal with james wood showing in many episodes of Family Guy?

 

[FatOne]

My point is that the two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not suggesting anyone other than Fuji has stated that and even he may not have come outright and said it. But certainly his complaint that Mensa doesn't test for emotional intelligence suggests his belief that those who make the cut are lacking in it.

People who are in Mensa are a self selecting sub group of those who qualify wrt IQ. From what I've heard there tends to be something damaged about the sort of people who have high IQ and feel the need to join Mensa vs those who don't. For the rest of ye, I said tends, not always. Sadly being terb I need to point out the obvious that what I said does not in any way comment on the non Mensa high IQ population.
Much like those who always have to point out their IQ score in conversation or drone on and on about how they went into med school and have bars of gold. Before anyone puts the sour grapes label on me, I do qualify, so does my only sibling who feels the same way.

 

[Rockslinger]

Much like those who always have to point out their IQ score in conversation or drone on and on about how they went into med school and have bars of gold.

Almost as bad as people who drone on and on about the sexual prowness(sp) of their GF.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Charm and B/S skills can get you far in life. At the end of the day, you need to be able to convince people to trust you, right or wrong. That is why fraudsters are so successful. That is also why Don Juan gets laid every night for free.

There may be some truth to that.

In the book The Invisible Gorilla, for example, the researchers said people are far more likely to trust someone who comes across as confident and self-assured -- even when that person doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

For example, they said it can be a problem in courtroom trials, as juries can sometimes put too much emphasis on testimony from people who look certain about their evidence. They cited cases where subsequent research confirmed the testimony was quite flawed.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books...item.html?ikwid=invisible+gorilla&ikwsec=Home

 

[fuji]

Sorry, had to unblock the douche. His data is here - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704005404576176923998708008.html

and here - http://super-economy.blogspot.ca/2011/04/iq-income-and-wealth.html

Your data is a book review, and some guy's blog? And you're putting this up against the peer reviewed journal stuff I posted.

OK. His data looks interesting, but I have no idea how well controlled or accurate it is. Provide me something peer reviewed.

And hey--it can't be frank's data, because he up front said he wouldn't accept anything from some guy's blog.

 

[fuji]

Fuji made this thing way too complicated
50% mensa members went to college
30% Americans went

More education means higher income fact.
Therefore mensa members should earn more than non mensa members.

Except that scatter plot up thread shows what's happening here, the low IQ side is getting shut out of school. As you get to a normal IQ and higher the effect declines. In other words, what are you going to say if it turns out 50% of Americans with an IQ over 100 went to college?

The link between IQ and academic performance is not in doubt, it's very well established, which is why IQ is used to extensively in learning contexts, especially primary education. The question is what is being measured. Is it really this g factor, or is it measuring something more narrow, like skill at taking tests? In the latter case it's still quite a useful piece of data for, say, an educator to use to identify problem students and direct them to remediation. It does predict who will do well in school, prospects of attending college, etc., no matter whether it's just measuring "test taking skill", or intelligence. So it's a useful number.

But whether it translates into actual intelligence, whether it says anything about your ability to outsmart the next guy in a negotiation, say, or come up with innovative new product ideas, or figure out how to optimize business processes, or compose beautiful music, or whatever--whether it's linked to REAL intelligence is another thing.