Actor James Woods is reportedly one of the world's smartest people

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I didn't say they all were, but someone with high functioning autism could do quite well at the sorts of things they put on that test. Puzzle solving ability is not the best measure of general intelligence.
Wasn't "Rainman" (Dustin Hoffman) also a genius?
 

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lol I find it funny that hawking is at the bottom of that list yet he seems to have more accomplishments in terms of academic work etc. I also find it odd that none of those people are on any lists of the top richest people in the world etc besides when it comes to IQ which makes you wonder why having a very high IQ is such a big deal it doesnt seem to help much in terms of success in life
1) IQ and effort are independent.

2) Not everyone sees success as being the richest.
 

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On a side note, I don't get why people pay to sign up for mensa. You'd think that people with high IQ would realize that mensa is merely ego stroking.
 

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Chris Langan has (possibly) the highest IQ in the world, somewhere between 190 and 210. Occupation: Bouncer!
 

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Isn't there a 4 year old that reputably has an IQ of 200? Does IQ improve with age?
I think it's 160 for the 4 year old.

Malcolm Gladwell introduces Chris Langan in his book Outliers. Two chapters called The Trouble With Geniuses.

Here's a quote that I think is good for the topic...

The relationship between success and IQ works only up to a point. Once someone has reached an IQ of somewhere around 120, having additional IQ points does't seem to translate into any measureable real world advantage.
 

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So you are basically saying that Menza can't evaluate intelligence as well as fuji. :D
I wasn't expecting honesty or integrity from you, so I'm not surprised at this cheap rhetoric. Mensa defines intelligence very narrowly as solving particular kinds of problems. Whether you think they are good at measuring "intelligence" depends on whether you agree or disagree with the idea that it is entirely defined by solving a particular kind of word puzzle. It certainly has not translated into anything else--Mensa members are no more, and no less likely to be successful in life than anybody else. You would think if it were actual intelligence that it would show up somewhere other than in the puzzle solving.

I added on top of that my own personal experience of having a met a bunch of these people. Some of them are normal. Some of them I really would consider smart. Some of them are completely inept and incapable people. In the end what they are testing seems to me to be about as meaningful as checking who is really good at doing crossword puzzles. Certainly being good at one sort of mental task MAY mean you have skill elsewhere--but it may not.

If you would like a towel to wipe the egg off your face let me know.
 

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... Mensa defines intelligence very narrowly as solving particular kinds of problems.....
Actually I believe that mensa uses IQ, a scale used in psychological assessments and accepted world wide.

It might not be the only type of intelligence but to describe it as narrow seems like sour grapes.
 

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I've only met one member of mensa and while bright I found that in a debate he would never yield even when wrong..... hmmmmm sounds like he might also be a terb member. :D

IQ is not a measure of success.

Kinda like how doing well on a fitness test doesn't make you good at sports.
 

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I wasn't expecting honesty or integrity from you, so I'm not surprised at this cheap rhetoric. Mensa defines intelligence very narrowly as solving particular kinds of problems. Whether you think they are good at measuring "intelligence" depends on whether you agree or disagree with the idea that it is entirely defined by solving a particular kind of word puzzle. It certainly has not translated into anything else--Mensa members are no more, and no less likely to be successful in life than anybody else. You would think if it were actual intelligence that it would show up somewhere other than in the puzzle solving.

I added on top of that my own personal experience of having a met a bunch of these people. Some of them are normal. Some of them I really would consider smart. Some of them are completely inept and incapable people. In the end what they are testing seems to me to be about as meaningful as checking who is really good at doing crossword puzzles. Certainly being good at one sort of mental task MAY mean you have skill elsewhere--but it may not.

If you would like a towel to wipe the egg off your face let me know.
In fairness caan you provide stats on mensa members not being more or less successful than the general population?

http://previous.us.mensa.org/about_mensa/demographics.php3

given that half the members are college educated which is higher than the general population and given that people with college degrees tend to earn more. I will guess that there is a difference between mensa members and the general population in terms of average salary.

You can take some time to think about it..... maybe do a regression.
 

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Good analogy, but the fact what do you make of (or how do you interpret) the fact that someone is very fit but not good at sports? We cannot dismiss the fact that such a person is fit. It becomes a matter of channeling that talent/fitness into something productive.
It's too general. Different sports emphasize development and training of different parts of the body. Basketball for instance has height, leg strength and footwork as important factors. Swimming is more focued on chest cavity, arm length, etc.

Same could be said for the brain. Cab drivers tend to be better at directions, businessmen better at arithmetic, musicians at abstract thinking.
 

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Good analogy, but the fact what do you make of (or how do you interpret) the fact that someone is very fit but not good at sports? We cannot dismiss the fact that such a person is fit. It becomes a matter of channeling that talent/fitness into something productive.
I think IQ is more of a measure of intellectual potential. Many more factors go into determining if someone will actually do anything with that potential.
 

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It's too general. Different sports emphasize development and training of different parts of the body. Basketball for instance has height, leg strength and footwork as important factors. Swimming is more focued on chest cavity, arm length, etc.

Same could be said for the brain. Cab drivers tend to be better at directions, businessmen better at arithmetic, musicians at abstract thinking.
The analogy was meant to be general as intelligence should be viewed on a general scale as well.

IQ tests tend to test intelligence in a number of ways not just a specific area like say math problems.
 

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I guess if I point out that I still prefer James Woods' performance in Salvador to his performance in Casino, we can conclude that I'm not a member of Mensa.

I'm not even going to try to tackle the fitness discussion. :)
 

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Anyway, back to James Woods. I think my favorite James Woods role was in "The Onion Field" However I would say that his acting range extends to being James Woods, much in the same way Michael Caine's acting is always playing himself. Sean Connery is another. So high IQ doesn't have anything to with acting ability.
 
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