A warning from Bernie Sanders to America

speakercontrols

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1) Ford changed the reporting of the budget
2) Ford's privatization of services means we pay way more for less services, from agency nurses to private surgeries.
3) Ford is cutting $20 billion, which is nearly a quarter of the budget listed there
4) You don't account for inflation

More importantly, ask yourself if ER's are in better shape, if you can get a family doctor or if you think the health care system is better now than under Wynne.
1) Irrelevant - consolidating or changing names doesn't change the totals. You don't know how accounting works.
2) This is a Canada-wide issue and represents governments seeking to change how we do things. There are numerous OECD Health Care reports that rank Canada 2nd last. How conservative of you to be so resistant to change. Many OECD countries have a mix of private and public health care and rank significantly higher than Canada. Within Canada, Quebec is a great example of mixing public & private.
3) Please point this out.
4) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I'm honestly shocked you thought of this. Including inflation and the numbers do look different. I'm glad you're actually reading what I post and you're leaning how some can fudge numbers with currently, PPP, & inflation.


Note that the only way to meet the FAOs report on future Health Care is to draw from other budget items. This has nothing to do with Ford and is a result of an aging populating (too many fucking old people) that is overwhelming Hospitals and other Health Care facilities. Any other political party in power would have to face the same decision of which budget item to fuck over (Environment? Justice? Infrastructure?). The FAO is not elected and doesn't get to make that decision.
 
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You have to remember...people like Frankfooter first decide they just don't like someone for reasons such as how they look or speak or shallow reasons like that.
Then they make up stuff to justify their unwarranted hatred so they don't look like kooks.
So...NDP?
 

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try including sales tax, carbon tax, property taxes, hidden tax (ie clean fuel standards) etc. etc. etc.
Don't be dumb. Those countries have very similar items that may or may not be included.

Please feel free to post your data that shows Canada has the highest tax rate. You won't because you can't. Put up or shut up.
 

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Actually, I'd make the argument that "how well you think governments are doing is out of their control" is ENTIRELY due to how the US does or doesn't do. We're maybe about to experience this soon. Mouse/Elephant, sneeze/cold...this is widely recognized.

We have a narrow window of freedom and decision making and Canada can nudge positively or negatively. It's actually WAY more easier to fuck it up (i.e. extreme immigration in a short time) than it is to substantially make it better.

The exception being the 2007/2009 Recession/almost depression only due to how our banks are regulated. Another possible exception is the oil price explosion around 2003-2005 which temporarily dramatically increased our GDP. We can dramatically fuck it up by crushing our oil production which leads to significantly less tax revenue which then puts a LOT of pressure on Defense ('the current thing') as well as Health Care transfers to the provinces and other widely beneficial social programs such as UBI.

You can talk about combatting Climate Change all you want but if people don't have jobs, food on the table, and the cost of living escalates they won't accept Climate Change mitigation measures & you'll fail. National/provincial economics trumps quickly trumps everything.

There are NUMEROUS examples of countries ignoring the state of their economy, continuing to spend, and making things significantly worse than what they'd otherwise be. Venezuela after the oil price drops is a very good example.
Except that Canada is doing well under the liberals compared to the rest of the G7 or G20.

Climate change costs are coming, crop failure and increased insurance will be the first ones you'll fee.
Already other countries are reeling from paying out for massive hurricane, flood and fire damage.
California may cost the US $250 billion.

 

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1) Irrelevant - consolidating or changing names doesn't change the totals. You don't know how accounting works.
2) This is a Canada-wide issue and represents governments seeking to change how we do things. There are numerous OECD Health Care reports that rank Canada 2nd last. How conservative of you to be so resistant to change. Many OECD countries have a mix of private and public health care and rank significantly higher than Canada. Within Canada, Quebec is a great example of mixing public & private.
3) Please point this out.
4) :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I'm honestly shocked you thought of this. Including inflation and the numbers do look different. I'm glad you're actually reading what I post and you're leaning how some can fudge numbers with currently, PPP, & inflation.


Note that the only way to meet the FAOs report on future Health Care is to draw from other budget items. This has nothing to do with Ford and is a result of an aging populating (too many fucking old people) that is overwhelming Hospitals and other Health Care facilities. Any other political party in power would have to face the same decision of which budget item to fuck over (Environment? Justice? Infrastructure?). The FAO is not elected and doesn't get to make that decision.
You just made my point, Canada does well but Ontario is failing at health care.
 

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Don't be dumb. Those countries have very similar items that may or may not be included.

Please feel free to post your data that shows Canada has the highest tax rate. You won't because you can't. Put up or shut up.

lighten up

i recall hearing this on a broad cast
 

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You're not saying anything new or interesting. These are all well know criticisms. Yet I don't hear you proposing accepted, normalized, standard other measures of how good/bad the Debt is.

Please feel free to stretch your thinking beyond your shibboleths.
the debt / GDP ratio has been used to justify irresponsible govt spending./ borrowing

it is pretty simple
the taxpayer can not borrow to spend in perpetuity or really bad shit happens
the same goes for govt

in fact if a business report a tax loss for seven years running CRA decides that is not a viable business and will audit that business
Justin Trudeau has 9+ years of deficits

unbelievably irresponsible
criminal in my opinion
 

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the debt / GDP ratio has been used to justify irresponsible govt spending./ borrowing

it is pretty simple
the taxpayer can not borrow to spend in perpetuity or really bad shit happens
the same goes for govt

in fact if a business report a tax loss for seven years running CRA decides that is not a viable business and will audit that business
Justin Trudeau has 9+ years of deficits

unbelievably irresponsible
criminal in my opinion
I assume this means you'll be voting for the banker over the career politician in our next federal election.
 

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the debt / GDP ratio has been used to justify irresponsible govt spending./ borrowing

it is pretty simple
the taxpayer can not borrow to spend in perpetuity or really bad shit happens
the same goes for govt

in fact if a business report a tax loss for seven years running CRA decides that is not a viable business and will audit that business
Justin Trudeau has 9+ years of deficits

unbelievably irresponsible
criminal in my opinion
Yawn, yet you're not stating what ratio or measurement of Debt you like? Go figure. You just want to bitch and moan over an well recognized measurement.

How about you try "Structural Defecit" is more important to you? Is this the economically solid correct answer you were looking for?

Another way of measuring the impact of a government’s policies is to account for its structural deficit, which can be broadly defined as the negative gap that would remain between revenue and expenditure if real economic activity was equal to the potential level.
In other words, without the impact of exceptional events such as a pandemic or an economic crisis on government revenues and spending.
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lighten up

i recall hearing this on a broad cast
So you have no idea if it's true or not and you're just repeating it over and over and over? You had no idea if it's true or not? You're serious?

You are literally feelings over facts.

You had little credibility before, now you have less than zero.

I have no idea if you're a kid or a senior on the edge of dementia.

Kudos for admitting it though.
 
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Except that Canada is doing well under the liberals compared to the rest of the G7 or G20.
Except for the United States which is outpacing everyone. We're a neighbour of the US and economically benefit from them in a BIG way. It has very little to do with us.

Thank you for proving my point. Do you even read your posts?

Climate Change mitigation costs money. If your economy is in the tank, if people can't put food on the table, get jobs, get housing, no one will give a shit about Climate Change. Economics are at the root of everything.

Too bad it's obvious you lack the background to know this.
 
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JohnLarue

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So you have no idea if it's true or not and you're just repeating it over and over and over? You had no idea if it's true or not? You're serious?
no, Trudeau has screwed this country up and we are taxed far too much

You are literally feelings over facts.
No here are some facts for you

Half of Canadians are $200 or less away from being unable to cover their monthly bills and debt payments,
"Canada is one of the highest of all the Western nations in the world for the debt ratio ... the volume of the debt is catching up to people,"
In March 2024, Canadian food banks saw a record 2,059,686 visits, which was the highest number of visits ever recorded for a single month. This was a 6% increase from 2023 and a 90% increase from 2019.
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its a fact: Trudeau has screwed this country up

You had little credibility before, now you have less than zero.
ah no
lots of people seem to like what I post


I have no idea if you're a kid or a senior on the edge of dementia.
well , lets just say that you have no idea and know very little about me.


Kudos for admitting it though.
I heard a misquote , I repeated it , you called me on it and proved that specific statement was inaccurate- so I fessed up
it happens
There was no intent to mislead anyone and Canadians are taxed way too much
Half of Canadians are $200 or less away from being unable to cover their monthly bills and debt payments,
You had your shot at me.
Now you get to decide if you want to try to milk this further
currently I have no quarrel with you .
you should consider keeping it that way
 

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Except for the United States which is outpacing everyone. We're a neighbour of the US and economically benefit from them in a BIG way. It has very little to do with us.

Thank you for proving my point. Do you even read your posts?

Climate Change mitigation costs money. If your economy is in the tank, if people can't put food on the table, get jobs, get housing, no one will give a shit about Climate Change. Economics are at the root of everything.

Too bad it's obvious you lack the background to know this.
Climate change disasters cost more than mitigation. $250 billion for California this year alone.

 

JohnLarue

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Yawn, yet you're not stating what ratio or measurement of Debt you like? Go figure. You just want to bitch and moan over an well recognized measurement.
what is your problem ?
A well recognized measurement which nottiboi tried to used to justify irresponsible spending and borrowing
Debt / GDP is also what the loonie Chrystia Freeland tried to use to justify irresponsible spending and borrowing
Debt/ GDP is what most irresponsible left wing politician uses to justify irresponsible spending and borrowing

How about you try "Structural Defecit" is more important to you? Is this the economically solid correct answer you were looking for?
nottiboi did not try and use "Structural Deficit" to mislead anyone
he used "debt/ GDP" to try and justify Trudeau's irresponsible spending / borrowing.

do you get it now ???? or are you yawning instead of paying attention

and yes Trudeau has bult a "Structural Deficit' and it will be extremely difficult / painful to fix
I have mentioned that several times in other posts
 

JohnLarue

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Except for the United States which is outpacing everyone. We're a neighbour of the US and economically benefit from them in a BIG way. It has very little to do with us.

Thank you for proving my point. Do you even read your posts?

Climate Change mitigation costs money. If your economy is in the tank, if people can't put food on the table, get jobs, get housing, no one will give a shit about Climate Change. Economics are at the root of everything.

Too bad it's obvious you lack the background to know this.

you are wasting your time trying to convince / educate frankfooter
there is a reason why so many have him on ignore.
 

Frankfooter

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you are wasting your time trying to convince / educate frankfooter
there is a reason why so many have him on ignore.
You claim to be a chemist but can't understand basic climatology.
You claim to understand economics but your position is stuck in the 80's with the trickle down effect.

Have you had a new idea this century?
 

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I don't see data that supports that. Both sides have tech and old economy oligarchs.
If more oligarchs supported the Republicans then why could they not raise more campaign money than the Dems? Like didn't the Dems raise (and blow) double?
 
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