A Plea for Caution From Russia
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To use an old data processing term, the US and its NSA has large amounts of data, but little information.
All the recorded phone calls did not help prevent 9/11.
Only the naive would think otherwise. Also, wasn't Putin head of the KGB earlier in his life?
Strife with Chechnya and Russia is a landlocked dispute that has been going on since before Soviet times, big difference from invading countries beyond the sea with absolutely no historical connection or questions of territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chechnya#Conquest
The Soviet Union (not just Russia, the USSR was comprised of many nations) did not invade Afghanistan, they intervened at the request of the government in power at the time, but only after being asked 5 times!
And only after the U$A had started showering the people who are now Al-qeuda and Taliban with millions of dollars and weapons in order to overthrow the government in power there who had the audacity to initiate land reform, allow women and girls education and other secular things.
http://williamblum.org/chapters/killing-hope/afghanistan
Interesting spin. A communist group in Afghanistan held a coup and then called themselves a government. To protect themselves from those they deposed fighting back, the coup leaders asked for help from the Soviets.
Actually, no, that's not what happened.
"On 27 April 1978, a coup staged by the People’s Democratic Party (PDP) overthrew the government of Mohammad Daoud. Daoud, five years earlier, had overthrown the monarchy and established a republic, although he himself was a member of the royal family. He had been supported by the left in this endeavor, but it turned out that Daoud’s royal blood was thicker than his progressive water. When the Daoud regime had a PDP leader killed, arrested the rest of the leadership, and purged hundreds of suspected party sympathizers from government posts, the PDP, aided by its supporters in the army, revolted and took power."
What did you expect the PDP to do, stand by and watch their comrades slaughtered and jailed, the republic turned into an autocracy by an opportunist who received overtures from the US?
"Daoud gradually broke off his alliance with the PDP, announcing that he would start his own party and ban all other political activity under a projected new constitution."
They were part of the government in the first place, and had every right to overthrow Daoud.
This is still a matter of furious dispute among academics and historians. All of them were, in fact, shot with nazi weapons.
This is one of these life lessons. No good deed goes unpunished, especially when you provide weapons to Muslims (Mujahadeen?).
It is???
The Soviets after decades of lying officially admitted in 1989 that the NKVD was responsible and condemned the murders and the subsequent cover-up. Further investigations in 1990-1991 by the Soviet Prosecutor General's Office, and then by the Russian Prosecutor General 1991–2004, confirmed Soviet responsibility for the Katyn Forest Massacre.
There is absolutely no dispute among reputable historians of the period. The victims of the Katyn Forest Massacre were murdered by the Soviet NKVD.
Another lesson might be that the cold war mentality of fighting wars just because Russia was supporting the other side was failed logic that caused innumerable problems and led to the West supporting all the wrong people worldwide.
Another CIA cock up, one that indirectly put US national security in grave danger for really no good reason.
Fuji, I fixed your post.
BTW: Yesterday was the 68th anniversary of the liberation of the great city of Singapore from the Japanese occupation force. No, no Japanese soldiers were hurt in the handover. What is ironical is that the advance unit of the British force was outnumbered and outgunned by the Japanese and the Brits had to rely on the Japanese as a "police" force during the short transitional period.
So do you think that arming the Afghans just because they might kill some Russians was a good idea?
It seems to have had only cost, and no benefit. Maybe "killing Russians" is not actually a national priority for the United States, and never was.
It seems to have had only cost, and no benefit. Maybe "killing Russians" is not actually a national priority for the United States, and never was.
Arming Muslims is never a good idea. I was looking at the broader Cold War picture. The U.S. supported South Korea when it was attacked by the Commies. Also, under the protection of the U.S. 7th Fleet the economies of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc., all prospered.
No superpower is perfect. Anyway, Western Europe, as did the Pacific Rim, did grow and prosper under the protection of the military umbrella. BTW: How did the countries behind the Iron Curtain do under Russian occupation?
Oh the Colbert Lobby, always trying to use bears as scapegoats.
