A Crude Awakening (The Oil Crash) -"People need to see this movie"
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Shows you how much the expert knows:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4312234n?source=search_video
WHo gives a rat's ass how much it accounts for their revenue? In this episode of 60 minutes they start OFF by saying it's OIL RICH you fucktard.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4312234n?source=search_video
"and do you know how oil rich the sands of alberta ARE......."wantoplay said:
Sure, lots.....but hey, keep polluting, keep burning it up like there's no tomorrow....let your great grand kids deal with it......
You need to go back to school. Being efficient and environmentally friendly does NOT mean we have to stop using it. And fuel for vehicles is just the tip of the iceberg. Plastics are petroleum based for one thing.tboy said:"and do you know how oil rich the sands of alberta ARE......."
Sure, lots.....but hey, keep polluting, keep burning it up like there's no tomorrow....let your great grand kids deal with it......
Take off your blinders and look at the entire picture.
Maybe you should take off your blindfold and read what I posted. Not once did I say STOP using it........there is no argument that our burning of fossil fuels is a very big contributor to the polluting of our land, air, water. Sooner or later we have to cut our carbon footprints or suffer the consequences. One of the things we can do to cut that carbon footprint is reduce the use of fossil fuels for powering personally owned vehicles. Especially when it really isn't that difficult to do and my ideas/suggestions were outlined in one of my previous posts.wantoplay said:
LOL talk about jumping to conclusions.......dude, you should enter the high jump competition at the next olympics!!!!wantoplay said:
Right from the link I posted:
Dubai Inc.
"Oil-rich, a magnet for business and tourism and a stable island in the turbulent Middle East, the Kingdom of Dubai is the success story of the region. Steve Kroft reports."
Do you have selective reading too?
Dubai Inc.
"Oil-rich, a magnet for business and tourism and a stable island in the turbulent Middle East, the Kingdom of Dubai is the success story of the region. Steve Kroft reports."
Do you have selective reading too?
Have a link or ??? to back that up?wantoplay said:
Sorry, you're wrong. Grey water systems have to be treated before being reused:
"Different grey-waters need different treatment processes to make sure they are safe, for people and for the environment. Even though the final use for grey-water is not as potable water, it still needs to be treated. Don't forget, it may just be used to flush toilets in the house, but pets could drink the toilet water. And, if you used untreated grey-water directly for irrigation it could affect the garden's health and the local water table."
from: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080320.re-holmes0321/REStory/RealEstate/home
You can find it. The newest development in Newmarket was on A channel last fall. I do some some post secondary paper in water treatment as well as other building and mechanical systems to back up my claims , not some crappy low selling rag. Grey water and phosphorous is some other things you can do research on, as well as that cloud of pollution over Toronto and the ill affects of breathing it in are other things you can do research on.
tboy said:
I've done my research TYVM.
As for that cloud over the city, thanks for that. You're one of the causes of it. I wonder, how'd you like me coming up to York region and parking in front of your house and letting my truck idle all day?
I love these 905ers who bitch about how polluted the city is yet they have no problem at all coming in here, polluting the air, ground and water and then leaving. Oh yeah, they also have no problem polluting the air to get here too....
As for that cloud over the city, thanks for that. You're one of the causes of it. I wonder, how'd you like me coming up to York region and parking in front of your house and letting my truck idle all day?
I love these 905ers who bitch about how polluted the city is yet they have no problem at all coming in here, polluting the air, ground and water and then leaving. Oh yeah, they also have no problem polluting the air to get here too....
Great information Bob, where you been for the last five years???bob2613 said:
What you shown is the reason for the documentary.
We have to get off fossil fuels. If we leave it too long, what will follow will have catastrophic impacts on the civilized world. We're not talking 30 or 40 years, we've got to start now.....
BTW: you're the ONLY one who keeps insinuating that I think of myself as an "expert". At no time did I come off that way or even THINK of myself in that way. If you think of me as an expert, then thanks, I appreciate it, but I most certainly don't. I was just (mistakenly) reiterating something I heard on the news. Does that make me think I'm an expert? Not in the slightest. People post their ideas on here all the time and you don't jump all over them for acting like an expert.rubmeister100 said:
I already admitted to the mixup between dubai and saudi arabia as a mistake...get over it...... So tell me: them using horizontal drilling to get at more oil that they couldn't before, is that true or not? That they can now extract just about all the pockets of oil where before they couldn't, is that also not true?
oh, and if YOU can refer to 60 minutes as a source of information why can't I? Oh rubmeister rules.....do as I say, not as I do......
I think the only one coming off here as acting like an expert is you......
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The problem is basically mathematical. If we assume the world has 2 trillion barrels of every kind of oil left, and we cut oil consumption to 2 million barrels a day the world has enough oil for over 2,700 years. If we cut consumption to 10 million we have 540 years. If we increase consumption to 100 million we have 54 years. But that means every kind of oil from oil sands to shale to sending robot mining equipment to rip open the played out oil fields and to rescue trapped oil.
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This debate has been going on forever. In bars at party’s, wherever knowledgeable people meet. Or at least the ones that think they know it all.
The demand for oil is real. But not necessary. Once people feel they have the right to this non renewable commodity. They tend to be more possessive to the point of greed.
The technology is here now to supply our greedy obsession with alternate sources of fuel. We need to be more interested and less apathetic to this plight.
This won’t happen buy a group of learned concerned people stating the obvious on video feeds.
Real work with real Media propaganda needs to be implemented to change social behavior.
And yes it can be done. Look ay recycling. It took off like gangbusters. It became cool to recycle. So much so that the facilities set up to use and process the materials were over crowded within a few working years. We now send empty plastics to china to be processed and returned to us as a raw material.
Conservation only prolongs the inevitable. Social change is what is needed.
Smoking used to be cool now its taboo
Drinking and driving is getting less acceptable
Buying huge pick ups with diesel engines and HEMIs (what were they thinking?) in the wake of an oil crisis is not cool
All I am saying is the technology is there to change the strangle hold that oil has on us.
Its not just fuel cells and bio fuel wind power and solar.
It’s the education and social,,, dare I say manipulation will allow us to see the error of our ways
The demand for oil is real. But not necessary. Once people feel they have the right to this non renewable commodity. They tend to be more possessive to the point of greed.
The technology is here now to supply our greedy obsession with alternate sources of fuel. We need to be more interested and less apathetic to this plight.
This won’t happen buy a group of learned concerned people stating the obvious on video feeds.
Real work with real Media propaganda needs to be implemented to change social behavior.
And yes it can be done. Look ay recycling. It took off like gangbusters. It became cool to recycle. So much so that the facilities set up to use and process the materials were over crowded within a few working years. We now send empty plastics to china to be processed and returned to us as a raw material.
Conservation only prolongs the inevitable. Social change is what is needed.
Smoking used to be cool now its taboo
Drinking and driving is getting less acceptable
Buying huge pick ups with diesel engines and HEMIs (what were they thinking?) in the wake of an oil crisis is not cool
All I am saying is the technology is there to change the strangle hold that oil has on us.
Its not just fuel cells and bio fuel wind power and solar.
It’s the education and social,,, dare I say manipulation will allow us to see the error of our ways
Yes and no.enduser1 said:
When it comes to resources human tend to choose the easiest and use the 'best first' principle. This results in declining net energy, receding horizons, environmental limitations, non-energy input limits, geopolitical resource grab etc.
Which means the downward side of energy use will not be pumped and sold using the same rules as the first half, and that substitutes, in the true and practical economic sense, would not scale quickly enough in quantity or quality. So I really believed (and still do) that see huge change facing our civilization.
Tar sands are being utilized at the tail end of oil usage because they are difficult and not easy to use and require high energy and other resources to extract. The "shale oil" is actually kerogen - what oil was a few million years ago before it was baked over time by heat from pressure. To utilize shale we would like have to dig it out and "cook" it. Using more energy resources than we get out of the whole process. So its likely to be a non starter.
Plus we have to manage how we reduce fossil fuel use. For example the green revolution in food production has been accomplished by the heavy use of fossil fuels in argriculture. Its now about 10 units of energy to produce 1 unit of food. When energy has been cheap we have exponentially increased farm yields and population globally. Shrink the energy use and the food supply shrinks.
Thankfully I can easily get to the downtown strip clubs, SP's and MPs !!
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Hi,bob2613 said:The "shale oil" is actually kerogen - what oil was a few million years ago before it was baked over time by heat from pressure. To utilize shale we would like have to dig it out and "cook" it. Using more energy resources than we get out of the whole process. So its likely to be a non starter.
I wanted to concentrate on the parts I don't agree with. My argument is that we should not be using natural gas to liquify the tar sands. We should have been using nuclear power for the last twenty years.
Regrettably the paradigm since the Reagan Era has been "the market". That means pumping out the cheap stuff first and dealing with the increasingly difficult stuff as costs rise. Oil with a negative ROI has value as a chemical feedstock, and in plastics and fertilizer and pesticides.
By pumping the cheap stuff first what we have done is to squander an opportunity. The downside of pumping the cheap stuff first has been that we have build up infrastructure to consume oil and even more alarmingly natural gas at a prodigious pace.
Had countries like Japan, Korea, the USA, Central Europe, Russia and Israel switched to a nuclear program like the one France had, the world would be using less oil and a hell of a lot less natural gas.
The problem the world faces is a total lack of investement in nuclear power, the only energy source that is viable. Conservation is a joke. Carbon credits are a complete farce. Windmills and solar are useless. Wind power has a negative ROI in some areas. In fact carbon credits exceed the amount of fossil fuel that could be produced in years to come. We have run ourselves off a cliff and we have no one else to blame.
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