9-11 a Fabrication

[DATYdude]

Bullshit.

From "9/11: Debunking The Myths"
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

"CLAIM: In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958."

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there."

MARK -- DO YOU EVER CHECK YOUR SOURCES? (It was a rhetorical question, I know the answer already.)

 

[ThePunkPanther]

ok ok ok...

yer right mr.,lfrbmkguy.

alqaueda didnto do 911/wtc...

I DID IT!!!!

it was all part of my cunning plan to take over the planet MARS!!!
there, yah got it out of meeeee.

teehee.

 

[MarkJfr]

Bullshit.

From "9/11: Debunking The Myths"
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

"CLAIM: In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958."

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state's response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day's events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims' families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there."

MARK -- DO YOU EVER CHECK YOUR SOURCES? (It was a rhetorical question, I know the answer already.)

You make it seem as If i whooped him out of my pocket. I linked to the story. Dont shoot the messenger. It is on the alex jones website. And not only him others too. But the Military industrial complex would do anything to discredit its service men who come out and talk about what they experianced.

 

[MarkJfr]

Here is another link of interest: It shows how Bush uses terror scares when he is in times of political troubles

 

[DATYdude]

HO hum, you mean politicians turing to a common fear for their own gain or to divert the peoples' attention from the inadequacy of their own leadership?

Isn't that what the Arabs have been doing for the past 50 years or so?

 

[danmand]

No, there is a new military grade steel melter that was used in 911 attacks by the military industrial complex. Thermal termite = Thermite. Read about it.

You don't know what you are talking about. I apologize for misspelling Thermite as termite in my posting. Obviously nobody was suggesting used blind, wood eating ants to take down the WTC.

Thermite, which is used to melt and fuse steel (for example in fusing railroad tracks), does not go off as a bomb; it is ignited and burns quietly. It does not detonate, is not an explosive. So let me make it clear: The military industrial complex may have used Thermite to melt the steel in the WTC (I make no such determination) but it would not have detonated like a bomb.

PS: As I have now seen how you treat facts that does not agree with your hypothesis, I will ignore future posts from you.

 

[MarkJfr]

The True 911 Conspiracy

 

[MarkJfr]

You don't know what you are talking about. I apologize for misspelling Thermite as termite in my posting. Obviously nobody was suggesting used blind, wood eating ants to take down the WTC.

Thermite, which is used to melt and fuse steel (for example in fusing railroad tracks), does not go off as a bomb; it is ignited and burns quietly. It does not detonate, is not an explosive. So let me make it clear: The military industrial complex may have used Thermite to melt the steel in the WTC (I make no such determination) but it would not have detonated like a bomb.

PS: As I have now seen how you treat facts that does not agree with your hypothesis, I will ignore future posts from you.

There is a military grade Thermite. Go research it, Its triggered off by explosions and used in commersial pulling-down of buildings. You are talking about the non-commerisal one , I know about it. But I am talking about a new improved ones that the military uses to demolish buildings and its reaction with steel is triggered off by explosions to reach temperature above 300 degrees.
The distiction was made by the Scientific 911 Composium, and they explained how the new Commerisal Thermite works. Resesarch it and you shall know what I am talking about. You are talking about the non-commersial one , the slow burning one. I am talking about the one the military uses to demolish buildings and structures and are even used in Bombs that melts tankers.

 

[stinkynuts]

There are a lot of really holes in the official government version of 9/11. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bush administration had forehand knowledge of the event. We all would like to believe otherwise, but this is a very corrupt administration, completely capable of this.

 

[danmand]

There is a military grade Thermite. Go research it, Its triggered off by explosions and used in commersial pulling-down of buildings. You are talking about the non-commerisal one , I know about it. But I am talking about a new improved ones that the military uses to demolish buildings and its reaction with steel is triggered off by explosions to reach temperature above 300 degrees.
The distiction was made by the Scientific 911 Composium, and they explained how the new Commerisal Thermite works. Resesarch it and you shall know what I am talking about. You are talking about the non-commersial one , the slow burning one. I am talking about the one the military uses to demolish buildings and structures and are even used in Bombs that melts tankers.

More munbo jumbo.

 

[someone]

HELLYER, Former Minister of National Defense, CANADA , goes on record about 9-11 standdown



http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/292489.shtml

PAUL HELLYER, FORMER MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENSE AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA --- Interview with Kyle Hence of 911CitizensWatch.org (Transcribed by Bill Douglas of National 911Visibility.org, May 27, 2004, International 9-11 Inquiry Toronto, Canada.)

He compares 9-11 standdown to FDR's Pearl Harbor standdown: "There are so many questions. But, you say, what is going wrong here? Or, was there [even] something going wrong [at all]? How much did they actually know? And you get into very deep territory because it's the same kind of thing as we saw with [the allowances and baiting for the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor....[to launch the U.S. into WWII]."

Paul Hellyer held the Canadian office equivalent to Secretary of Defense in the U.S., and was Deputy Prime Minister, Canadian equivalent to Vice President of the United States.

Given that Paul Hillyer is best known for being the disastrous policy of unification to the Canadian Forces, I’m not impressed with your source.

 

[MarkJfr]

More munbo jumbo.

911 scientists confirm conspiracy

thermite & plastic explosives

Molten Metal WTC Thermite

Dr. Robert Bowman the impossibility of the official government story

...an actual attack on ones own country is engineered for the purpose of mobilizing public opinion. 'false flag' operation

Proof of WTC Controlled Demolition.<<See this one

9/11 Truth Symposium: Alex Jones cries out in passion

Steven Jones and Alex Jones talk about Thermite in WTC Steel<<<< Shows the Military Thermite I am talking about mixed with Sulphur, and needing explosives to ignite Thermate (Military Grade Patented Thermite + Sulphur)

The same Thermate was seen in the melted steel of WTC 7 , which was not hit with an airplane, and was infact pulled down with the patented military grade thermite (Themate) that has sulphur as an accelerant and a catalyst

 

[fantasiafan]

More munbo jumbo.

'Damn it danmand, for someone who doesnt like MarkJfr, youre not really proving him otherwise, youre actually making him look better!

 

[MarkJfr]

This is Very Interesting Reguarding 911.

Alex Jones on CSPAN July 29 2006 - 9/11 & the Neocon Agenda

On the right side column in that page, you can find part 2-12, see them in order.

Peace

 

[danmand]

'Damn it danmand, for someone who doesnt like MarkJfr, youre not really proving him otherwise, youre actually making him look better!

Look, buster, I am not trying to make anybody look good or bad. I am only pointing out a fairly insignificant fact, namely that Thermite is not an explosive.

http://www.dodtechmatch.com/DOD/Patent/PatentDetail.aspx?type=description&id=6766744&HL=ON

Let me go a step further and help you conspiracy theorists: Anybody planning a controlled demolition of the WTC would likely not rely solely on Thermite, but use it in combination with an explosive.

It is really tiring to have to argue both side of an argument.

 

[fantasiafan]

Thats so simple, real terrorists tried and failed miserably...it would take a think tank and an incredible budget to take down the towers....dont people stop and think that when they built these towers it was an OBVIOUS question what if a plane hits it? (by accident or by terrorism) hence it was designed to withstand the burning fuel of an airliner, not to buckle under flames....again, listent to the description of the MIT expert describing a controlled demolition, and in the 911inplanesite video the OWNER OF THE WTC SAYS "We made a decision to PULL IT" referring to setting of the demolitions for a controlled takeddown - the reason easy, for anyone in their right mind who has actually visited groundzero, you gotta wonder how these massive towers didnt topple over and knock down other buildings - controlled demolition made sure these other buildings only suffered minor damage such as broken windows and such.....protectin property over people - they killed all those people in that building, in order to save money of damage to other buildings -which had all been evacuated by this point.....

I will post the link soon for you all to download the 911inplanesite video, as I notice the official site has the link down....let me find it.

Ok, here's the video for your downloading enjoyment...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-...ideo-shocks-sacramento-citizens.html#download

 

[fantasiafan]

Look, buster, I am not trying to make anybody look good or bad. I am only pointing out a fairly insignificant fact, namely that Thermite is not an explosive.

http://www.dodtechmatch.com/DOD/Patent/PatentDetail.aspx?type=description&id=6766744&HL=ON

Let me go a step further and help you conspiracy theorists: Anybody planning a controlled demolition of the WTC would likely not rely solely on Thermite, but use it in combination with an explosive.

It is really tiring to have to argue both side of an argument.

You're right, now download the video and watch the the flash, the igniter on BOTH planes that occurs before they hit the WTC's...also note the large cylinder under the planes, and the fact that its visible the 2nd plane was NOT an AMerican Airlines planes......

 

[allaboutben]

hence it was designed to withstand the burning fuel of an airliner, not to buckle under flames.....

So wrong. Dont believe these quacks. Jet fuel was different back then and the planes were different. It was designed to withstand plane hits from back when it was built (early 70's?) Thats from experienced engineers that I know. It wasnt designed for todays planes. Oh that makes too much sense! They also told me it was a miracle the towers stood for so long. The way the towers were built with support only on the outer shell explains the collapse.

 

[fantasiafan]

So wrong. Dont believe these quacks. Jet fuel was different back then and the planes were different. It was designed to withstand plane hits from back when it was built (early 70's?) Thats from experienced engineers that I know. It wasnt designed for todays planes. Oh that makes too much sense! They also told me it was a miracle the towers stood for so long. The way the towers were built with support only on the outer shell explains the collapse.

Ah,very good young anakin padwa, jet fuel was different back in the 70's, and the change was that if enflamed it would burn at a higher temperature, but in any book you read about the WTC before 9/11 you will clearly note that support wasnt only on the outter shell....how stupid is that....some engineering friends you have....

"hey lets build the worlds tallest towers"

"ok, but lets only make supports on the outter shell"

"that sounds like a great idea"

"thanks, lets do another line..."



Obviously I see your watched the MIT expert as well......following the whole thread please...

 

[allaboutben]

Ah,very good young anakin padwa, jet fuel was different back in the 70's, and the change was that if enflamed it would burn at a higher temperature, but in any book you read about the WTC before 9/11 you will clearly note that support wasnt only on the outter shell....how stupid is that....some engineering friends you have....

"hey lets build the worlds tallest towers"

"ok, but lets only make supports on the outter shell"

"that sounds like a great idea"

"thanks, lets do another line..."



Obviously I see your watched the MIT expert as well......following the whole thread please...

MIT? MIT was a good school 30 yrs ago. Theyve been passed over by a huge margin nowadays. I'll trust the engineers that I know fully. You believe the waucks on TV which you know zero about their competence, credibilit, sanity, biases, etc, etc. That design of the owners was for cost, flexibility, and other reasons.. Using your logic, why build anything, it will fall apart or be attacked. Self-defeatist.