9-11 a Fabrication

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I can't wait until Bush is out of office, and all the shit starts getting out and we finally see more of the truth. :cool:
 

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fantasiafan said:
Ok so some of you may have read my ramble in the Reaaaaallly Scary thread (if not read it for fun), so I just thought i'd throw out some sources, links and videos just for shits and giggles :)

Scholars for 9-11 Truth:
The Scholars for Truth people are a bit of a joke, in my opinion.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is devoted to applying the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, "letting the chips fall where they may".

However, most of the scholars in this group have no training in science, and rather specialise in fields like accounting, art, film, economics, theatre, English, language, religious studies, etc.

Although I am very pro-education and pro-university, I would be more impressed if this organisation had fewer arts professors and more professors actually in hard sciences and engineering.
 

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katsrin said:
The Scholars for Truth people are a bit of a joke, in my opinion.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html

Founded by professors Jim Fetzer and Steven Jones, S9/11T is devoted to applying the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, "letting the chips fall where they may".

However, most of the scholars in this group have no training in science, and rather specialise in fields like accounting, art, film, economics, theatre, English, language, religious studies, etc.

Although I am very pro-education and pro-university, I would be more impressed if this organisation had fewer arts professors and more professors actually in hard sciences and engineering.
Fair enough, have you seen the footage of the MIT Engineering Expert in Demolitions speak? It's quite interesting and seems to be what youre looking for. Chek it out, link is above, 3rd post i believe.
 

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911 was an inside job. The CIA and Military Intelliegence carried it out.

Bush's relative his nephew, was the head of security of WTCs, and there were security drills in which people saw members of the Military enter the building. Now people, like Alex Jones, have uncovered that , these security drills were done so they can put Thermite into the buildings, Thermite is used to bring down tall buildings in controlled demolition. They wanted to make it seem that 2 planes would bring down the WTC, which is an engineering imposibility. Firefighters heared multiple explosions after 20 minutes of the Airplanes hitting the WTCs. These were the Thermite bombs going on near the elevators. This then cut the solid steel columns that support the weight of the WTCs, and brought it down in free fall fasion.

Bush and Paul Wolfolwitz wanted to pull a quick one on the world and the american people, by quickly blaiming it on the enemies of the USA. And many people , after seeing what they did, were willing and did, beleive the lie.

Its time to wake up people. There are nazis in office in the white house. They dont give a shit about people, they just want to dominate the world and estabilish their new world order that Hitler was talking about. Hitler used the Jews to rally the German masses behind him to bring about a new world order in the world. Members of the Skull ANd Bones (Bush and his cousin Kerry) and others, are the grand-sons of Nazi Spies that came to USA and were ordered by Adolph Hitler to infelterate the allies, incase he failed. They were the nazi's insurance of survival. These spies quickly moved the secret society that Hitler was a member of, called "The Brotherhood of Death" , to Yale University, to enlist the Nazi-sons and grandsons, They renamed it to "The Skull And Bones Society". I am not making stuff up, go and read about it. I defy any one to argue that these are not Nazi sons and grandsons who financed Adolph Hitler and the death camps. DOnt you see you dont have to have Hiter phyiscal look-alike, to have nazism in America, The nazis adapted and used the Democratic process in germany to take power over time. Now they succeeded in America to take power.

May Goodness have mercy on us all. All we can do is let others know the truth, because the majority bought the lie, and will not wake up until its too late. Only if these people read, then maybe we would have made our governments more accountable to us.
 

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Mikey_TorontoHotGirls said:
Some truth to ponder:

1. America attacks iraq over weapons of mass destruction. None found in Iraq, but a lot is dropped on them. By whom? The country that has the most weapons of mass destruction.

2. War on Terror - Operation Freedom.
I guess the idea of freedom now equates to terror alerts, easedropping/being spied on, discrimination/racial profiling, and now, not being allowed to carry liquids on a plane.

I can't wait to hear how they will try to justify having microchips implanted into people to control us all. I believe it as already begun, in some animals, children and teenagers, throughout the world.

In my opinion, Canada is following the USA blindly and foolhardly and unfortuneately, people don't want to do anything about it, because they don't care; feel powerless; or oblivious to these wrong-doings.

These things will lead to more deaths, wars and terrorist attacks in North America; which, was not really occurring before the current governments took power, that I can recall.

I believe that Bush's CIA was behind the gang shootings in Toronto. They stopped right after the election. What those gangsters suddenly changed their minds? Or was funding and guns stopped from USA? I believe it was a tool to intimidate the Liberal Government to go along with Bush's Plans, or else.
Why else was Prime Minister Paul, attacking Bush in his campaign and saying Harper is more loyal to Bush and if he got power in Canada he will make Bush happy. Many people dismiss these as co-incidents, but they are not. There are more here than meets the eye. All of the sudden the Soft-wood lumber dispute was solved and 4 billion out of 5 billion were given back to Canada. Strange eh?

Now see the parallelism here, Bush came, and a terror action happened. Harper Came and 17 arrests were made some of them were released and were not proven guilty yet. Now we are told our way of life will be like this. To live in fear , a fear these neo-Nazi's made, just like they created the Boogeyman Saddam and others, and for us to be saved we have to abandon our constitutional rights and exchange them for temporary safety. Only that the real terrorists are those who claim that they want to save us from a phantom enemy they exaggerated and made into the boogeyman in our minds. Its the perfect way to circumvent the constitution. "You want to be safe don't you? Let us take your freedoms away, and let us spy on your private life and let us listen on your telephone conversations and let us read your private emails and let us put camera's into your bed rooms, because the terrorists might strike you". Its the perfect Orwellian Police state of the new world order.

People think these stuff happen in movies made by the Hollywood. So they let their guards and trust the governments implicitly and blindly and think that they will just save them. Its time to wake up and see what is happening and investigate the facts, because our way of life, that our grandfathers died for in D-Day and elsewhere is threatened by those very people that are sitting in public office. The nazi nightmare is slowly coming into reality again, only this time who will come to save us?


We no longer have an alert and vigilant citizenry, because no one is nurturing the minds of our young people. Vibrant democracies thrive when there is honest news sources and honest debates, for only then the citizens would be able to make informed decisions about their leaders and who to elect. Now we see news agencies that are propaganda mouthpieces for the governments who are bought and bribed to tell the people falsehoods and incorrect analysis of the facts so as to bias their minds towards what the elected politicians wants. That is why I said democracy itself here and in the USA is under threat. That is why it is more important than ever for people to use the tools they have, their brains to investigate the reality they live in and to form well informed decisions and conclusions of their own. You would be surprised to see many people who independently analyze the facts , would reach the same conclusions.

Time to say out laud, Let Freedom Ring!
 

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bbking said:
man you have to let me know what meds your on, I need a break from reality to.



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The only meds I am on, is water, and a good dose of hard facts gained by a visit to the library and long investigations on the internet.

You handedout your brain to the new world order, and as such you buy any thing they through at you. I pitty you because you are their slave and you dont realize it. You dont know that you are and the funny thing is that you think you are free.

I say thins. There are 4 stages of realizing the truth : 1) Deny it 2) Laugh at the truth tellers and call them liers or delusionals 3) Anger 4) final acceptance. I think you can tell which stage you are at right now.
 

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MarkJfr said:
911 was an inside job. The CIA and Military Intelliegence carried it out.

Bush's relative his nephew, was the head of security of WTCs, and there were security drills in which people saw members of the Military enter the building. Now people, like Alex Jones, have uncovered that , these security drills were done so they can put Thermite into the buildings, Thermite is used to bring down tall buildings in controlled demolition. They wanted to make it seem that 2 planes would bring down the WTC, which is an engineering imposibility. Firefighters heared multiple explosions after 20 minutes of the Airplanes hitting the WTCs. These were the Thermite bombs going on near the elevators. This then cut the solid steel columns that support the weight of the WTCs, and brought it down in free fall fasion.

Bush and Paul Wolfolwitz wanted to pull a quick one on the world and the american people, by quickly blaiming it on the enemies of the USA. And many people , after seeing what they did, were willing and did, beleive the lie.

Its time to wake up people. There are nazis in office in the white house. They dont give a shit about people, they just want to dominate the world and estabilish their new world order that Hitler was talking about. Hitler used the Jews to rally the German masses behind him to bring about a new world order in the world. Members of the Skull ANd Bones (Bush and his cousin Kerry) and others, are the grand-sons of Nazi Spies that came to USA and were ordered by Adolph Hitler to infelterate the allies, incase he failed. They were the nazi's insurance of survival. These spies quickly moved the secret society that Hitler was a member of, called "The Brotherhood of Death" , to Yale University, to enlist the Nazi-sons and grandsons, They renamed it to "The Skull And Bones Society". I am not making stuff up, go and read about it. I defy any one to argue that these are not Nazi sons and grandsons who financed Adolph Hitler and the death camps. DOnt you see you dont have to have Hiter phyiscal look-alike, to have nazism in America, The nazis adapted and used the Democratic process in germany to take power over time. Now they succeeded in America to take power.

May Goodness have mercy on us all. All we can do is let others know the truth, because the majority bought the lie, and will not wake up until its too late. Only if these people read, then maybe we would have made our governments more accountable to us.
I am not going to put forward an opinion on the whole 9/11 scenario. I am not favouring conspiracy theories, even if I personally think there are a lot of unanswered questions.

But just one piece of facts: termite, which is used to melt and fuse steel (for example in fusing railroad tracks), does not go off as a bomb; it is ignited and burns quietly.
 

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HELLYER, Former Minister of National Defense, CANADA , goes on record about 9-11 standdown



http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/292489.shtml

PAUL HELLYER, FORMER MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENSE AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA --- Interview with Kyle Hence of 911CitizensWatch.org (Transcribed by Bill Douglas of National 911Visibility.org, May 27, 2004, International 9-11 Inquiry Toronto, Canada.)

He compares 9-11 standdown to FDR's Pearl Harbor standdown: "There are so many questions. But, you say, what is going wrong here? Or, was there [even] something going wrong [at all]? How much did they actually know? And you get into very deep territory because it's the same kind of thing as we saw with [the allowances and baiting for the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor....[to launch the U.S. into WWII]."

Paul Hellyer held the Canadian office equivalent to Secretary of Defense in the U.S., and was Deputy Prime Minister, Canadian equivalent to Vice President of the United States.
 

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If Bush and the CIA were behind 911, then how would you explain the first attempt at knocking down the WTC's. Clinton was in power then, and he was, wait for it, a Democrat. Did US intelligence have some idea about 911, sure, because they had the names and pics up of the suicide bombers pretty well before the second plane hit. But if you think some nameless group from the Middle EAst wasn't behind it, I say think again. Are you saying that Clinton was going to try and blow up the WTC's as well, seeing as you can't have it both ways. Of course to you, everything that goes wrong in the world can some how be traced back to Bush.
 

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To date nothing tops loose change IMHO.


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change


It's a long 1 hour and 20 minutes, but it flies by. I'm not saying it's 100% true, but the science involved is second to no other flick regarding this that I've seen anyways. They aim more towards the theory that they simply knew it was going to happen, and they let it happen so they can make moves.

Again, I try to stay on an even point of view (because if I don't I'll go crazy), but this video is the best I've seen. In a ratio, I would say it's 3:1 better compared to Moores 911. There is more science involved with very good breakdowns made simple.
 

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Primetime21 said:
If Bush and the CIA were behind 911, then how would you explain the first attempt at knocking down the WTC's. Clinton was in power then, and he was, wait for it, a Democrat. Did US intelligence have some idea about 911, sure, because they had the names and pics up of the suicide bombers pretty well before the second plane hit. But if you think some nameless group from the Middle EAst wasn't behind it, I say think again. Are you saying that Clinton was going to try and blow up the WTC's as well, seeing as you can't have it both ways. Of course to you, everything that goes wrong in the world can some how be traced back to Bush.
Thats so simple, real terrorists tried and failed miserably...it would take a think tank and an incredible budget to take down the towers....dont people stop and think that when they built these towers it was an OBVIOUS question what if a plane hits it? (by accident or by terrorism) hence it was designed to withstand the burning fuel of an airliner, not to buckle under flames....again, listent to the description of the MIT expert describing a controlled demolition, and in the 911inplanesite video the OWNER OF THE WTC SAYS "We made a decision to PULL IT" referring to setting of the demolitions for a controlled takeddown - the reason easy, for anyone in their right mind who has actually visited groundzero, you gotta wonder how these massive towers didnt topple over and knock down other buildings - controlled demolition made sure these other buildings only suffered minor damage such as broken windows and such.....protectin property over people - they killed all those people in that building, in order to save money of damage to other buildings -which had all been evacuated by this point.....

I will post the link soon for you all to download the 911inplanesite video, as I notice the official site has the link down....let me find it.
 

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danmand said:
I am not going to put forward an opinion on the whole 9/11 scenario. I am not favouring conspiracy theories, even if I personally think there are a lot of unanswered questions.

But just one piece of facts: termite, which is used to melt and fuse steel (for example in fusing railroad tracks), does not go off as a bomb; it is ignited and burns quietly.
No, there is a new military grade steel melter that was used in 911 attacks by the military industrial complex. Thermal termite = Thermite. Read about it.
 

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MarkJfr said:
No, there is a new military grade steel melter that was used in 911 attacks by the military industrial complex. Thermal termite = Thermite. Read about it.
Not only read about it but SEE the footage of it in the 911inplanesite video!
 

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You know, I personally like the back and forth dialogue that goes on here between opposite viewpoints and am always willing to at least listen or hear another source, even click on the links and read anothers opposing view, but numerous times on here Ive read posters who midway through a thread bring up things that were already addressed in external links, posts, and videos.

Please watch the full length videos, read the full stories and links and then comeback and post.

I think Im being neutral here in saying this - for both sides in any debate - because it really would filter out some redundant crap and a more thought provoking dialogue would be enjoyed.
 

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HELLYER, Former Minister of National Defense, CANADA , goes on record about 9-11 standdown



http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/292489.shtml

PAUL HELLYER, FORMER MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENSE AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA --- Interview with Kyle Hence of 911CitizensWatch.org (Transcribed by Bill Douglas of National 911Visibility.org, May 27, 2004, International 9-11 Inquiry Toronto, Canada.)

He compares 9-11 standdown to FDR's Pearl Harbor standdown: "There are so many questions. But, you say, what is going wrong here? Or, was there [even] something going wrong [at all]? How much did they actually know? And you get into very deep territory because it's the same kind of thing as we saw with [the allowances and baiting for the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor....[to launch the U.S. into WWII]."

Paul Hellyer held the Canadian office equivalent to Secretary of Defense in the U.S., and was Deputy Prime Minister, Canadian equivalent to Vice President of the United States.
The Vice President of the United States OF America, gave NORAD orders to stand down. Also a military excercise , in which airline jets would hit the WTCs was conducted on the same day. Many beleive that that is how they get lower Officers to comply with what they want.

on 7/7 in London, similar things happened. There was a military excersice by MI5 in which london buses would explode. And on the same day the bombs would explode giving birth to 7/7 terrorist attacks. They carried it out and they made mistakes and leads that let the intelligent people in our society pick on it and follow on it, and they discovered busses that were later to explode were directed to their locations. Infact Benjamin netanyahu and the Ex-Mayor of NY (Rudy Giuliani) were there and were warned in advance of these attacks by the intelligence Just like they were warned in 911 as well as others.

Alex Jones, the one who warned about a 911 type attack on the WTCs 2 months before they happened, now gave warning that an attack carried out by the US intelligence and MI5 of complex scale, is going to happen before October. He said this would be used to attack Iran. Unless the people stop it somehow by letting the media talk about it. Now Fox News and other radio shows took the story to the airlines. The reason he said is because he talked with people inside the government, as well as he sees signs in the media and elsewhere, where the media is replaying stroies about Osama Bin Laden (Like CNN), and repeating things the public already knows. This is to be used as psychological thing , so when an attack happens, the public mind goes to Osama again because the media just few months ago refreshed the Bin laden story again.

People need to be alert if we want to protect our vibrant democracy and our truely free way of life.
 
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