4th vaccination
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I’m just not sure of the evidence that “multiple boosters” can weaken the immune system tho. Agree tho, that embarking on 4th (plus doses) should be done after there are studies that support the efficacy and safety. These are ongoing, and have been done in older people.
The article you quoted says "could" not "is"
Just sayin.
If it's a problem I am guessing the boffins are already considering it.
I think what you say is key: the point is that the vaccines are only one year old and there is no long term data for anyone or any cohort (there cannot be) and even short term data is incomplete. Given that historically vaccines do not require "boosters" for at least 10 years or more, what is happening now is entirely novel. Never mind the actual technology in the shots. Miraculous to be sure, but entirely novel, especially in humans.
But do you know the %of vaccinated that end up in hospital/ icu vs % unvaccinated? Because it seems you do not.
If you look at the hospitalization rate in unvaccinated and assumed that applied to our whole population we would not have had any hospital capacity left in November with delta
So there is 80% Ontarians fully vacinated (give or take) with 1894 Hospitalized and 181 in ICU but, you then have 20% of Ontarians un-vaccinated with an astonishing 698 hospitalized and 165 in ICU, what does that tell you??
But who am i kidding, its laid out and you still wont undetstand the equations.
Since you seem to think your math skills are better than everyone else, why don't you show us how many people would be in hospital and ICU if no one was vaccinated? Be sure to pay attention to the percentage of the population currently vaccinated/unvaccinated. That should offer some indication. I can't wait to see your answer.
I'd also like to hear your answer to massman's question. "Based on your logic, do you conclude that seatbelts are pointless because most people admitted after a car accident were actually wearing them?"
The answer will be “with vaccine they are still people in the hospital. the fucken vacine didn’t work. keep bieng stopid and get you booster and kiss trudeu’s ass. Youre not wake up yet, get you rabid test and shots every week”
It's not that simple. I have many friends in healthcare. You really need to talk to the doctors and nurses who work in these hospitals to get a real feel for what's going on. Not all hospitals are equipped to deal with COVID patients. That's why patients were being flown to Toronto from western provinces a while back. Patients are regularly transferred from regional hospitals to Toronto. Then there's the human resources aspect. Each ICU patient/bed requires a team of highly skilled individuals. They don't grow on trees...
True. There are maybe a little over 100 icu’s in the province capable of ventilating patients. A third of those have a very limited capability to do so for days on end.
Another example of how you can’t just toss numbers around without understanding what they mean.
It just seems like your are pissed because you missed the correlation of % of vaccinated people in your interpretation of the data.
Just an advice. It's much easier to simply admit your error.
Cheers,
I donno man, that kinda sounds like Nazi Communism to me. This is the internet, we never admit to error on the internet.
Numbers are numbers. If you represent them accurately, and understand the limitations there’s no problem. Misrepresenting numbers, that’s a problem. Numbers don’t care if you don’t like the message.
Except, it's not one person per hospital. You're just making things up.
Plus the 3,814 also in hospital with COVID. That doesn't include everyone else who's in hospital for other conditions not associated with COVID. Like I said, you really need to talk to front line workers to get an idea of how dire the situation is. I'd love to see you tell an ICU doctor that COVID isn't a problem, because there's 500 in ICU and we've got 500 hospitals in Ontario. Then again, you wouldn't believe anything they say, so it's a moot point.
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Where'd you get that 500 number from? Provincial data says 155 hospitals of various types with 224 sites. Some of those hospitals and sites are specialized and do not deal with covid patients and many don't have an ICU.
So the fact that the unvaxxed are in the ICU at 10 times the rate means nothing to you?
Either math is foreign to you or you're just trolling.
You mean his numbers are off? Quelle surprise!
This site says there's 371 with likely many not equipped to handle COVID ICU patients. Just like lots of hospitals are not equipped to handle trauma patients. That's why Ornge will fly patients to Toronto on a regular basis.
https://www.statista.com/statistics...ospital-establishments-in-canada-by-province/
Would be true if every hospital had an infectious disease unit and an ICU. There are 74 hospitals with ICU beds with a total of just under 2500 beds. I know it's complicated but before covid, ICU's ran in the 80-90% capacity range. Currently covid cases are taking up 20% of that capacity leaving little room for other patients. The reason why non-emergency operations have been cut is they need ICU space in case of complications and with the current numbers, those spaces may not be there.
ICU cases jumped 55% in the past week. Since they believe that omicron hasn't peaked yet and hospitalization trails infections by a week or two, that number is likely to keep going up.
BTW. Seems that your argument has been used before
And that's exactly the problem. The system was overburdened before covid. Since the beginning, the message was to flatten the curve so that little space remaining wasn't quickly overwhelmend. Ontario's data says unvaccinated people are in the ICU at around 10 times the rate of the vaccinated. Makes a lot of sense why the government is so interested in vaccinating people. A few bucks for the vaccine can greatly reduce the need for tens of thousands in hospital costs.
the other option is to tell politicians you are okay with a significant tax increase to provide more hospital capacity.
