MOST people have the right in Ontario to join a union if they so wish so stop
all the whinning join one.
all the whinning join one.
4% Property Tax Hike
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Well just remember the last mayor he froze taxes for I believe 2 years and welcomed the murders and drug pushers to the city. He was even worried he might get boiled in a large pot of hot water and lost the Olympic bid for the city over that comment.
well better then John Tory, Barbara Hall or Jane Pittman (Pitfield)
Rob Ford says he wants to run for mayor I wonder if he will!!!
Rob Ford says he wants to run for mayor I wonder if he will!!!
Its totally rdicululous by the City to increase the property taxes in GTA by 4% inspite of severe recession going on and people are already without jobs, how are they going to pay their property taxes is a big question mark for many! Still our city councillours dont realize what the common citizen is going through, rather the councillors should donate their hefty salaries & alloweances they get from the city, why citizens are further burdended with increasre in property taxes is a real shameful act, and it should be condemened totally, & protest should be launched to take back the so-called increased in property taxes.
They don't have monopoly jobs (whatever they might be), which is why people can blather about privatizing. For every government service you can name, there's a company in the biz who'd be willing to provide it and make profits from your taxes.Rockslinger said:
Never mind who's in who's pocket; the weak link in breaking municipal union's hold is always the taxpayer. Garbage strike, transit strike, teachers strike police strike, ambulance strike, whatever. It's the taxpayers who start screaming for the precious services they whine about paying too much for at tax time. Nobody's held hostage; it's a simple deal: You want it, you gotta pay, although sometimes it takes a week or two with the garbage piling up before the people and the pols remember that.
You want it different, just figure out how to convince your fellow citizens a few months of doing without will be worth it to 'break the unions'.
Meantime, last I heard we had a Mayor, Council and a whole whack of suit and tie folks who are supposedly running the city. If you're right and it's the union bosses (paid for by union dues) calling the shots, then we could save a big bundle by firing our guys and putting the union bosses in their offices. How could it be worse?
The weak link is that the unions "own" all municipal jobs. The good citizens of Toronto are not allowed to hire private contractors to remove the garbage, snow, etc. We are all held hostage.oldjones said:
We do not have the option of the "Reagan Solution". Fire all the strikers and hire replacements who are willing to do the work and at a reasonable wage.
Sorry, I don't believe it. The privatized trash collection in Etobicoke's just one instance. City Hall made a deal with union for the rest of the city, but not there. Certainly the union contracts I'm familiar with all had clauses spelling out how the relationship could be terminated. Not easy, but doable.
It would just be more work and hardship than the whiners are willing to endure. Just like they won't do the work of actually holding their elected representatives to account. Or finding their Reagan and getting him elected. Always easier to carp and criticize than to change things.
The days of for-hire fire companies are gone, but rent-a-cops abound and you, good citizen that you are, definitely are allowed to hire out your trash removal and snowplowing, and get your water trucked in, even get your sewage hauled. All at your expense. But if you want to do it with your tax dollars and mine, you gotta go down to City Hall, get in the game, get dirty, maybe hurt, and win more than a couple of scrimmages over a fair whack of time. What, you think government's easy? If it was, everyone would be doing it, not complaining about it.
It would just be more work and hardship than the whiners are willing to endure. Just like they won't do the work of actually holding their elected representatives to account. Or finding their Reagan and getting him elected. Always easier to carp and criticize than to change things.
The days of for-hire fire companies are gone, but rent-a-cops abound and you, good citizen that you are, definitely are allowed to hire out your trash removal and snowplowing, and get your water trucked in, even get your sewage hauled. All at your expense. But if you want to do it with your tax dollars and mine, you gotta go down to City Hall, get in the game, get dirty, maybe hurt, and win more than a couple of scrimmages over a fair whack of time. What, you think government's easy? If it was, everyone would be doing it, not complaining about it.
Agreed, but they do hire private contactors to plow and dispose of snow.Rockslinger said:
If the garbage collectors just did their jobs, I'd be all for them, however, half the time they leave my garbage at the curb for one perceived slight or another. The bottom line is that they don't want to do their job.
I remember the good old days living in North York when we had all the sidewalks plowed quickly and garbage disposal twice weekly. After that Mfckr Miller came into power we all got screwed. Taxes increased and services decreased. Miller did do a great job in squandering North Yorks surplus and also is very consistent in increasing property taxes well beyond the rate of inflation. Its fckers like this that come to power because Miller believes lazy union and government employees deserve to get paid more. In the end if I were stupid enough, I would definitely apply for a governent or unionized job.
hatztowork has articulated one of the themes that comes up over and over in this sort of discussion: unionized (government) workers are over-paid, over benefited and lazy and unproductive due to their protected jobs. Sometimes, as above, insults like "stupid" are added to the list, never with any evidence. But the same closing line is a constant, which I'll sum up as: "…but I'm too good to ever do that" (also never backed by evidence).
I'm wondering why anyone imagines this to be persuasive. I'm especially puzzled when the poster really succeeds in painting union/government work as getting something for nothing, then says they'd never take such free money.
The logic—especially when there's no specific examples or evidence—escapes me, and runs completely against the basic foundations of economics as I understand them. After all, we're watching the pillars of capitalism suck up all the free money they can get these days.
Perhaps I should I think of such assertions as the sort of ritual religious chanting that the unquestioning faithful are expected to mumble at certain points in the Sunday service? But if that's the case, why must they bring their magical mystery articles of faith out into public?
I'm wondering why anyone imagines this to be persuasive. I'm especially puzzled when the poster really succeeds in painting union/government work as getting something for nothing, then says they'd never take such free money.
The logic—especially when there's no specific examples or evidence—escapes me, and runs completely against the basic foundations of economics as I understand them. After all, we're watching the pillars of capitalism suck up all the free money they can get these days.
Perhaps I should I think of such assertions as the sort of ritual religious chanting that the unquestioning faithful are expected to mumble at certain points in the Sunday service? But if that's the case, why must they bring their magical mystery articles of faith out into public?
It is not complicated. These monopoly public service unions abuse their monopolistic position to squeeze every possible concession and every last nickel out of private sector taxpayers. No wonder they piss people off.
How would you like it if Mayor Miller told you that you have a choice of only one roofing company to do your shingles and that company than charges you double the price and they only work on Tuesdays.
How would you like it if Mayor Miller told you that you have a choice of only one roofing company to do your shingles and that company than charges you double the price and they only work on Tuesdays.
One correction Fire guys in T.O. work 24 hr shifts and can retire after 30 yrs.
Second off T.O. enjoys the luxury of the loest property taxes in Ontario. GTA an expanded area have been dealing with 7 to 9% tax hikes for 10 + yrs. The average 365,000 in T.O. pays about 2400 a year in york region you will pay 3600 a year.
Second off T.O. enjoys the luxury of the loest property taxes in Ontario. GTA an expanded area have been dealing with 7 to 9% tax hikes for 10 + yrs. The average 365,000 in T.O. pays about 2400 a year in york region you will pay 3600 a year.
Did someone say that TTC, TPD, TFD, etc. are not monopoly unions with monopoly pricing powers that are exercised to the greatest extent possible? I guess that TTC strike about a year or so ago never actually happened. It was all in our imagination.oldjones said:
STOP YOUR WHINNING!!!! go work for the city. The union creates a balance between worker and management
