2-year-old boy dragged into water by alligator near Disney's Grand Floridian
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Toddler's body recovered. Tragic cicumstance.
Toddler's body recovered. Tragic cicumstance.
I have to say Disney is going to have to bear some responsibility here.
1. What the hell are alligators doing in a man made lake in the first place? They should have been removed. If it is some idiotic environmental law preventing their removal then I would go after the government too.
2. Knowing there are gators in the lake, Disney should have never have built such an inviting beach. And any access to the shore should have been blocked off.
After thinking about this, I suppose mom or dad could have been just a couple feet away. Gators are fast and stealthy, and you can add the fact that it was nighttime.
1. What the hell are alligators doing in a man made lake in the first place? They should have been removed. If it is some idiotic environmental law preventing their removal then I would go after the government too.
2. Knowing there are gators in the lake, Disney should have never have built such an inviting beach. And any access to the shore should have been blocked off.
After thinking about this, I suppose mom or dad could have been just a couple feet away. Gators are fast and stealthy, and you can add the fact that it was nighttime.
Gators are ambush predators, there should have been a sign to warn people to keep at least 20 ft from the lake.
Man made lake or not, alligators will find a home, as long as it has the necessities to sustain life. That's how they're programmed, that's survival.
Removing them will not deter others and FLA is home to these creatures.
Disney is going to get sued big time. Disney's lawyers are probably ready to proffer a settlement as soon as the parents are done grieving or their lawyer files.
The "beach" with no swimming signs will be the key here, as it's too inviting and the real dangers weren't made known.
Gators are quick and can cover ground fast and they are opportunists. The opportunity was there.
Let's face it, most of us who are parents can grieve this loss, as it's a parents worse nightmare, but the parents are at fault here. Nebraska or not, I was brought up here and I know there are creatures in the water in FLA that you do not want to be anywhere near.
Apparently, Disney has a special licence and wildlife management team to remove gators whenever possible and euthanize them. Let's be clear: this is a man made beach that did not have gators in them originally. Over time, gators and whatever other animals have been drawn to that lake.
Apparently, the dad actually fought with the gator. Also, check your backyard swimming pool before diving in.
1- Alligators get into everything down there. Golf course water hazards, backyard swimming pools etc. They even go onto runways to sun. Cape Canaveral even tells stories of space shuttle landing delays because they had to go out on runways to pull gators off
Man made lakes are everywhere down there. Disneyland can't be treated any different from any other tourist attraction (or even people's homes). As far as I know there is no law preventing their removal however you have to see one before you can remove it. Doesn't seem to be the case here there is no mention of gator sighting (unless I missed that). But I believe there are laws about killing them and if you don't kill it then it would probably find its way back (even if you kill one there are thousands of others that can take its place)
2- how would Disney have known for sure there was a gator in there if there are no sightings or reports they may not have known and with all the water around it is hard to patrol them daily (dark water can easily hide a gator). But to reverse the question how did the people know there weren't gators in there. When going to Florida you need to assume that there may be a gator in any body of water you come across. When golfing you are told if your ball goes in a water hazard don't even bother looking for it or retrieving it even if you can see it because you don't know what is waiting there. And there are signs everywhere warning about gators signs are all up and down the highways etc. and around water signs are increased.
You are correct gators are fast and stealthy. This could have been avoided if people avoided potential danger areas. It is a tragedy however the parents should have been more careful. Never let your kid splash around unknown water especially at night when it is gator feeding time. To continue on that same thought it is the same as going to the beach....you never see people swimming in the waters at night for the same reason...it is shark feeding time. If parents were more aware of their surroundings, read the signs and knew feeding times this probably could have been avoided.
Part of the problem is people fail to remember that Disneyland (and Orlando and most of Florida) looks "civalized" or "modern" however it was built in swampland. While enjoying the comforts of civilization it is hard to remember that just outside the city is dangerous swampland (anyone flying into Orlando can see it for miles). This is a tragic lesson to be careful
I have been to that lake. It is large yes but not that large. Plus there is lots and lots of boat traffic with thousands or eyes on board. Not to mention all of the people on shore. Hade to bebleive they did not know.
They caught what?, like 3 or 4 after the incident. That did not seem to be too hard.
If it is the lake I remember I agree it is hard to believe there is not a sighting but not impossible. Which is why I reverse the question. The question is not why was Disneyland not aware there was a gator in the water. The real question is why did the parents assume there were no gators in the water.
Everywhere you go in Florida you have to assume there are gators in the water. And what makes it worse is not only did the parents let their kids play in water they were not familiar with but they did it at night when it is prime gator feeding time.
And sure it may not be difficult catching 3 or 4 however if there are 3 or 4 that are found there are probably another dozen under the water etc that were not seen. Again they are stealthy. (it also goes back to the question of how parents did not know there were gators. If 4 gators were easily caught and as we agree they are easy to see then how the fu#$ck could the parents not know not to go in there??)
This is a tragedy however it was one that was created by the parents not by Disneyland.
Rules to remember when visiting Florida are:
1- always assume there is a gator in a body of water
2- always assume there may be a snake under bushes or leaves etc and don't roam around in the woods along the highways etc. (if you get out along a roadside to take a leak be careful)
3- never swim in the ocean at night it is when sharks feed
and if you watch Family Guy never talk to hot girl because you will always get suckered into talking to her haggard older mom (too soon to add jokes???).
These words of wisdom also apply to golf courses in Florida. If your ball goes into the woods or a water hazard say "Bye bye ball!" and pull another one out of your bag.
This isn't the family's fault at all, this isn't Cletus's outback lodge, this is a billion dollar company which I assume the family paid top dollar to be at. It's their responsibility to ensure the safety of their customers. How many people would have actually thought of a gator attack in this situation, other than someone who lives in Florida, kind of assume the resort has that looked after.
Gee, any Northerner who didn't know FLA could be careless and nonchalant about gators. Native Floridians or seasoned travelers know this stuff; first time Snow Birds probably not.
Should have been WAY bigger, more specific signs posted and gator warnings posted up in the hotel lobby. If I am a rookie FLA visitor and I see a "No Swimming" sign, I assume some shit like dangerous undercurrents. Not fucking massive predators. If there are massive predators, "swimming" is not the issue. It's being anywhere the fuck close to the water without a suit of armour and a M-16!
Hotel's liability is slam dunk and HUGE!!! It's a lawyers' delight!
Should have been WAY bigger, more specific signs posted and gator warnings posted up in the hotel lobby. If I am a rookie FLA visitor and I see a "No Swimming" sign, I assume some shit like dangerous undercurrents. Not fucking massive predators. If there are massive predators, "swimming" is not the issue. It's being anywhere the fuck close to the water without a suit of armour and a M-16!
Hotel's liability is slam dunk and HUGE!!! It's a lawyers' delight!
Phew! What a relief nobody was there to shoot the Aligator, which would not only have violated the Aligator's civil rights but also legitimized the use of firearms over a something as ubiquitous & replaceable as a common todler...
I'm glad to hear from a legal mind. I've read comment after comment of how "No Swimming" signs were posted. Are they fucking kidding people?!?!Gators 4-7 feet long can run 8-12 miles an hour!. That's how big this fucker was!!!!....The signs should have read"If your out here in the dark there may be a cold blooded predator, that may range from 4-12 feet long around. Oh yes, and it can run about 8-12 miles per hour so if you think your safe on the beach.....not so fucking much!!" Lucky it was the only one. Oh wait,Nope they actually caught 5 of these fuckers and they HOPE they got the right one....
This lads parents will be millionaires under the right lawyers guidance....
I think your sign should say you're instead of your. Do you really think the parents give a fuck about being millionaires because of this, what a stupid fucking comment.
