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2 more Canadian Soldiers were killed in Afghanistan yesterday by a cowardly IED on a road. This brings the total so far to 127 killed. I believe they were Combat Engineers attached to the R22R aka "The Van Doo's".

Rest In Peace Barve Warriors,Rest In Peace
 
High tech IEDs are the weapon of choice now.
There will be more....:(
 
Rest in Peace
 
The West has got to learn how to fight asymmetric warfare.

There's been some study into this, led by the US, to some degree, but the military is still fashioned after a conventional chess game.

And even so, tactics can only go so far; politics, culture, and economics may ultimately be the deciding factor.
 
diehard said:
Why are we in Afghanistan?
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Agree or disagree you need to support your troops.
 
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Online memorial on the 24 Canadians who died on 9/11:

http://members.shaw.ca/kcic1/cdnwtc.html

I do think that legitimate questions need to be asked about the war. If the objective is to capture OBL, then it seems to me that it is an intelligence and LE effort.

Becoming involved in the internal politics of other nations is a massive undertaking.
 
ig-88 said:
The West has got to learn how to fight asymmetric warfare.

There's been some study into this, led by the US, to some degree, but the military is still fashioned after a conventional chess game.
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Actually, you are entirely incorrect in your assumption regarding how western forces are conducting counter-insurgency operations (COIN) in Afghanistan. They are not conducting conventional operations, nor have they been since the very first day they got there. Conventional ops are a part of COIN, but only a part. The greater emphasis is being placed on the other aspects of winning a CI campaign. But, those other aspects are harder than hell to pull off, and they aren't nearly as sexy (or as deadly) as the conventional fighting that is taking place as a part of the overall campaign.

It is a shame (almost a criminal shame) that Canadian media does not report on the outstanding work that the Canadian Forces, various Canadian police forces, Corrections Canada, CIDA, DFAIT, Agriculture Canada, and others, are doing to provide Afghans a sustainable life, and thus to remove from the average citizen, the impetus to support the Taliban.
 
ig-88 said:
I do think that legitimate questions need to be asked about the war. If the objective is to capture OBL, then it seems to me that it is an intelligence and LE effort. QUOTE]

To capture OBL??? WTF?? That is not the aim of any western army in Afghanistan.

Seriously, you need to do some reading into this war. Your assumptions and knowledge level about why Canada is in Afghanistan, are entirely incorrect.
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Thanks!

Capital Guy....from a soldier that has not been there (yet), I thank you my brother. It is so nice to see some support with actual intellect behind it. Blind support isn't bad either...but the thinking man will always win out. Thanks again.

BBF

CapitalGuy said:
Actually, you are entirely incorrect in your assumption regarding how western forces are conducting counter-insurgency operations (COIN) in Afghanistan. They are not conducting conventional operations, nor have they been since the very first day they got there. Conventional ops are a part of COIN, but only a part. The greater emphasis is being placed on the other aspects of winning a CI campaign. But, those other aspects are harder than hell to pull off, and they aren't nearly as sexy (or as deadly) as the conventional fighting that is taking place as a part of the overall campaign.

It is a shame (almost a criminal shame) that Canadian media does not report on the outstanding work that the Canadian Forces, various Canadian police forces, Corrections Canada, CIDA, DFAIT, Agriculture Canada, and others, are doing to provide Afghans a sustainable life, and thus to remove from the average citizen, the impetus to support the Taliban.
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Thanks

papasmerf said:
Agree or disagree you need to support your troops.
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Thanks Smerf. Another two brother's lost today. RIP
 
I'm a little hammered now & this is a sorta stream of conscienceness rambling but theres a lot of stuff I'd liket o say....
No foreigner will ever win a war in that part of the world with guns & bombs....thats been proven repaetdly through history. A diplomatic or political solution is required.
Don't assume that the Taliban are necessarily the bad guys.....the taliban is predominantly of Pashtun ethnicity and they are foghting for the creation of a pashtun state. There lots of things the media isnt reporting. As for harboring Bin Ladin, thats a western view....the pashtun people are very loyal & honorable & they welcomed in basically one of their own; a man who fought with them against USSR invaders a generation ago. They didnt really care one way or the other about 9/11 or who did what. Why western forces are there at this time....who really know the real reason?
The IEds are anything but hi-tech...for the most part unexploded ordinance rigging with a pressure device usually made of two pieces of wood with a copper strip contactor.....thats why they're call improvised explosive devices.
These guys have been fightingh nearly continuosly since 1979 and so thats an entire generation of kids, fathers & grandfathers who can make this things up as easliy as we make up whatever it is we're good at

Im at STurgis but we're one person short becasue my very very good friend a veteran of AFghanistn committed suicide 2 weeks ago. I've spent the last few days here & meeting lots of fellow vest Canadian and American who've all lost sometone this way, and who are are kindof fucked up in lots of different ways because of Afghanistan. Please don't pull any support the troops crap with me becasue I was one of those troops once and I think I can speak my mind on this matter when I say we shou;ldnt be there and are sending off the best guys this country has to a place that doesnt want or need us
I'll probably be ridiculed for my tons of speeling mistakes and bad grammer, but I'm but we have no business being in afghanistn and we nver really did. any lose of life over this issue is really truly wasteful and unecceasry.

Now I've got to go have the best kind oif sex....drunken sex with my girlfriend!
Andf I won't be back for 5 minutes!!!! Peace out ganagsts!
 
It's not simply a matter of whether or not you "support our troops" ... there are geopolitical forces at work. In the 1990s plans were drawn up to build oil & gas pipelines through Afghanistan to link landlocked oil producers of central Asia with Pakistan.* This would provide access to the Indian ocean and allow for export by sea instead of using the overland routes collectively monopolized by Russia and Iran.** Regional and political instability proved too great a challenge to overcome and the projects were eventually cancelled. The objective was never to capture Osama but to remove the Taliban government which was getting in the way of major western energy projects.*** Our troops have bled enough. No more blood for oil.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentGas

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corporation#Central_Asia
 
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Malibook said:
9/11 was an attack on NATO and Canada is a member of NATO.
The Taliban harboured Osama Bin Laden and his training camps.
There is no distinction between the 9/11 attackers and those who harbour them.
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Bingo.

The cost of liberty always has been in blood.
 
Chillroy said:
It's not simply a matter of whether or not you "support our troops" ... there are geopolitical forces at work. In the 1990s plans were drawn up to build oil & gas pipelines through Afghanistan to link landlocked oil producers of central Asia with Pakistan.* This would provide access to the Indian ocean and allow for export by sea instead of using the overland routes collectively monopolized by Russia and Iran.** Regional and political instability proved too great a challenge to overcome and the projects were eventually cancelled. The objective was never to capture Osama but to remove the Taliban government which was getting in the way of major western energy projects.*** Our troops have bled enough. No more blood for oil.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentGas

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corporation#Central_Asia
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Dude, using wikipedia to back up your claims is ridiculous. You need some real sources if you are going to be taken seriously. Using wikipedia as a source is kind of like using a teenager as a source on geopolitical afffairs.
 
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