140,000 Dead Americans?

[SkyRider]

I was shocked when I thought I heard on the radio that 140,000 Americans died from gunshots in the 4 years since Sandy Hook. 140,000 sounds too high, the actual figure is more likely 120,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-since-sandy-hook-appetite-for-change-builds

 

[rhuarc29]

Where are you getting that stat?

I'm reading 90,000 shot and killed, 210,000 shot and injured.

While the 210,000 stat seems accurate for shot and injured, I think the homicide rate is 10,000 - 12,000 per year, which would peg it at 30,000 - 36,000 in the three years the article references.

 

[Aardvark154]

The huge majority of these are gang and drug related.

 

[shack]

The huge majority of these are gang and drug related.

Does that mean they were not killed by a gun?

If they were killed by a gun then they count toward the total. It is actually quite simple.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Does that mean they were not killed by a gun?

If they were killed by a gun then they count toward the total. It is actually quite simple

I think Aard's point was if you dont join a gang, or deal hard-drugs, it drastically reduces your odds of being shot to death

 

[Big Sleazy]

1.5 million dies of heroin overdoses last year. How's that War on drugs working out for you ? Ever wonder why America has been in Afghanistan for 15 years ???

 

[gcostanza]

Ever wonder why America has been in Afghanistan for 15 years ???

Money.

 

[SkyRider]

I'm reading 90,000 shot and killed, 210,000 shot and injured.

While the 210,000 stat seems accurate for shot and injured, I think the homicide rate is 10,000 - 12,000 per year, which would peg it at 30,000 - 36,000 in the three years the article references.

The article is from 2015 so I extrapolated the number to 2016 and came up with the 120,000 but I thought I heard 140,000 on the radio. I wonder how that number compares to kill by cars?

 

[maurice93]

1.5 million dies of heroin overdoses last year. How's that War on drugs working out for you ? Ever wonder why America has been in Afghanistan for 15 years ???

There is no way that is accurate. Way too high. That is 1 in 200 people dying of a heroin overdose each year (or about 1 in 20 over 10 years)

 

[Aardvark154]

The article is from 2015 so I extrapolated the number to 2016 and came up with the 120,000 but I thought I heard 140,000 on the radio. I wonder how that number compares to kill by cars?

In the U.S. in 2015 321,370,000; in 2014 318,860,000. This is just the number killed in collisions, it does not count pedestrians killed by motor vehicles, which would be a vastly smaller number.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

In the U.S. in 2015 321,370,000; in 2014 318,860,000. This is just the number killed in collisions

Almost the entire population of the US was killed in collisions?? :biggrin1:

 

[SkyRider]

Guns and vehicles (and contraband and prescribed drugs?) are probably the biggest cause of premature deaths in the U.S.?

Base jumping probably further down the list.

Another link:
http://heedinggodscall.org/content/pfctoolkit-10

 

[shack]

I think Aard's point was if you dont join a gang, or deal hard-drugs, it drastically reduces your odds of being shot to death

The topic was how many people were killed by guns. There were no other parameters attached to it.

 

[shack]

1.5 million dies of heroin overdoses last year.

I'd love to see where you get that number from.

OP said 140,000 gun deaths in a 4 year period. You say 1.5 million heroin deaths per year.

So you say there are more than 40X more heroin deaths per year than gun deaths. Do you actually believe that?

 

[thailover]

PC out the window here,but im over 80% of that total were POSs of society
just culling the herd here
Obama did nothing positive for african-americans

 

[corrie fan]

Reminds me of the saying -" There are lies, damned lies and statistics."

 

[Aardvark154]

Almost the entire population of the US was killed in collisions?? :biggrin1:

You are of course correct my bad, wrong column

 

[Aardvark154]

The article is from 2015 so I extrapolated the number to 2016 and came up with the 120,000 but I thought I heard 140,000 on the radio. I wonder how that number compares to kill by cars?

Here are the correct numbers, in the U.S. in 2015 35,092; in 2014 32,675 and in 2013 32,719. So for the last three years available that was 100,486 deaths. This is just the number killed in collisions, it does not count pedestrians killed by motor vehicles, which would be a vastly smaller number.

Further these numbers have fallen, in 2005 it was 43,510.


Since I know that vastly more people are killed in collisions than in shootings, something is obviously wrong with the original numbers.

 

[SkyRider]

Here are the correct numbers, in the U.S. in 2015 35,092; in 2014 32,675 and in 2013 32,719. So for the last three years available that was 100,486 deaths. This is just the number killed in collisions, it does not count pedestrians killed by motor vehicles, which would be a vastly smaller number.

These numbers are pretty close to the gunshot numbers.

 

[Aardvark154]

These numbers are pretty close to the gunshot numbers.

Just looked it up, as of today there have been 14,221 people killed by shooting this year in the U.S., multiplying that by four gives less than half the number originally mentioned. This means that just under 2 and half times as many people die in collisions as from shootings.