14 students, 1 teacher dead after shooting at Texas elementary school: Gov. Abbott

[glamphotographer]

Kind of like this story.

Republicans Blast Canada for Insanely Responding to Gun Violence by Banning Guns

“People who shoot people inside buildings first have to enter those buildings,” Greg Abbott said. “The problem isn’t guns—it’s doors.”

www.newyorker.com

He should be labeled a terrorist and not be allowed into Canada.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530217930675322883

The Christian Right solves the mass shooter problem - These shooters are not people, they are demons sent by Satan.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1531676968734838784

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1531280895767871490

 

[mandrill]

The Science Is Clear: Gun Control Saves Lives

By enacting simple laws that make guns safer and harder to get, we can prevent killings like the ones in Uvalde and Buffalo

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[mandrill]

No because I get a lot of likes.

Well, Darts likes you and that's what counts.

 

[mandrill]

Israel just celebrated 'flag day' with a mob of tens of thousands of Israeli Jews marching through the streets yelling 'death to arabs', attacking civilians and journalists, destroying property and all backed by the police and army, who gave them free reign through Jerusalem.

There are enough Israel threads already here, so if you want to continue this conversation take it there and we can talk more.

‘Death to Arabs’ chanted in Jerusalem march

Scuffles ensued as nationalists celebrated an Israeli holiday.

www.politico.com

Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN have all issued reports saying Israel is apartheid.
That is why the people they call 'settlers', who are colonizing Palestine, are all so heavily armed.

That was the shocking video I saw. Very scary.

 

[toguy5252]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530217930675322883

The Christian Right solves the mass shooter problem - These shooters are not people, they are demons sent by Satan.

He has a point. Do you have some other explanation?

 

[toguy5252]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1531280895767871490

Gee soI guess that making it harder for people with mental health issue to get guns and red flag laws would have no effect.

 

[mandrill]

No for a lot of reasons. Holland was not settled by the gun like the United States. Learn about the history of the gun in the U.S.

100 years ago, settlers might need a gun. Not nowadays.

The current laws are sufficient. Murder is Murder no matter the mechanism of injury, but the laws are ineffective. Why? Because of how they are enforced. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled gross intoxication is a valid defense against criminal charges. In addition, they have ruled that 25 years without parole is inhumane.
One day you should go down to the courthouse and find out how many Stay of Proceedings there are on solid cases.

Now you're conflating 2 far right obsessions - hate for any gun control and the fantasy that you guys have that the courts are "soft on crime". As it happens, I really AM down at the courts each day and they're not. If they were, Canada would have a higher crime rate that TX or LA and that's so silly, even you can accept it.

I explained the gross intoxication ruling a few weeks back. Go read it. Or go read some other non-clickbait article. But for present purposes, arguing that mass killings are rampant in the US because the SCC made a couple of rulings you don't understand is patent nonsense.

So go ahead. Make more rules. Charge everyone and their mother. Rules and charges are no good unless there are convictions and some consequences, other than parole.

Are you suggesting that Canadian courts put convicted murderers on parole and don't send them to jail. How could that occur, when the statutory minimum sentence for Murder One in Canada is life with minimum sentence of 25 years wo parole?

Try and preserve a shred of your own credibility here.

If I were you I wouldn't stress about gun deaths. Most of them are suicides and the numbers are tiny compared to other mechanisms of injury in Canada.
About 7,000 people a year die from drug overdose in Canada and about 1,700 a year in car accidents.
Death is always around you. It shouldn't prevent you from living your life.

Yeah, okay. 16 year old girl gets daddy's gun and shoots herself, I won't worry. You clearly see it as collateral damage to you and your gun range buddies parading around with open carry. Why should that young girl's life matter if you can have a big dick?!

 

[poorboy]

Didn't realize you did this kind of hunting.

I don't hunt herds, and the photo you are showing is over a hundred years ago of a native species.
There were political reasons behind exterminating the buffalo. They weren't killed because they were game meat.

Buffalo, Extermination of | Encyclopedia.com

I referenced pests. So you just want wild pigs and prairie dogs to go out of control?

So how would you address a $1.5 billion dollar problem of an invasive species that came from Europe? It's not just crop damage. They spread a lot of different types of diseases, some of which can be transferred to humans. It's not a big problem yet in Canada, but it's a crisis in the United States.

For the past 5 years, feral hogs are overwhelming America’s Texas farmlands | Nightline - YouTube

A multifaceted approach for control of this species is required, and one of the controls involves the use of firearms.

 

[poorboy]

100 years ago, settlers might need a gun. Not nowadays.



Now you're conflating 2 far right obsessions - hate for any gun control and the fantasy that you guys have that the courts are "soft on crime". As it happens, I really AM down at the courts each day and they're not. If they were, Canada would have a higher crime rate that TX or LA and that's so silly, even you can accept it.

I explained the gross intoxication ruling a few weeks back. Go read it. Or go read some other non-clickbait article. But for present purposes, arguing that mass killings are rampant in the US because the SCC made a couple of rulings you don't understand is patent nonsense.



Are you suggesting that Canadian courts put convicted murderers on parole and don't send them to jail. How could that occur, when the statutory minimum sentence for Murder One in Canada is life with minimum sentence of 25 years wo parole?

Try and preserve a shred of your own credibility here.



Yeah, okay. 16 year old girl gets daddy's gun and shoots herself, I won't worry. You clearly see it as collateral damage to you and your gun range buddies parading around with open carry. Why should that young girl's life matter if you can have a big dick?!

The courts are soft on crime. I see a 50% stay of proceedings where I live

You do all the advocating you want if you got that type of energy. Sign up and be an active member of one of these advocacy groups. Nobody is stopping you. I've got other things to do.

People die every day. It's a part of life. I can't worry about other people. What you can control is your own situation, not others. Drive carefully, adopt a healthy lifestyle by exercising, not drinking too much and overeating, don't go out for walks in bad neighourhoods at night, etc.

The world always seems to be falling apart, but not really. It's just normal.

And FYI, there's no open carry in Canada. My gun buddies are great by the way. One is an Anesthesiologist that coaches aboriginal youth in both archery and rifle shooting. Another is a Mercedes Benz Technician that helps me with my car repair questions. Another is a employment law lawyer who has helped me out with work practices. The guy who organizes local matches owns a very successful demolition company. Really diverse group from all walks of life.

not-criminally-responsible-for-murder-located-toronto-cops/ar-AAXXpKx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6f2dfa7b50704505b371fe9f95f04a87

Killing of Tim McLean - Wikipedia

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Republicans Blast Canada for Insanely Responding to Gun Violence by Banning Guns | The New Yorker
The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, shared McConnell’s view. “Canada’s solution to gun violence ignores the fact that people who shoot people inside buildings first have to enter those buildings,” he said. “The problem isn’t guns—it’s doors.”

Senator Ted Cruz, also of Texas, could barely contain his contempt for Trudeau’s plan. “So Trudeau thinks that you can reduce gun violence by reducing the number of guns?” Cruz said. “Earth to Justin!”


Las Vegas Shooting: Timeline Shows How It Unfolded, Over One Year Later (businessinsider.com)
In Las Vegas, desk clerks were the problem.

 

[mandrill]

The courts are soft on crime. I see a 50% stay of proceedings where I live

You do all the advocating you want if you got that type of energy. Sign up and be an active member of one of these advocacy groups. Nobody is stopping you. I've got other things to do.

People die every day. It's a part of life. I can't worry about other people. What you can control is your own situation, not others. Drive carefully, adopt a healthy lifestyle by exercising, not drinking too much and overeating, don't go out for walks in bad neighourhoods at night, etc.

The world always seems to be falling apart, but not really. It's just normal.

And FYI, there's no open carry in Canada. My gun buddies are great by the way. One is an Anesthesiologist that coaches aboriginal youth in both archery and rifle shooting. Another is a Mercedes Benz Technician that helps me with my car repair questions. Another is a employment law lawyer who has helped me out with work practices. The guy who organizes local matches owns a very successful demolition company. Really diverse group from all walks of life.

not-criminally-responsible-for-murder-located-toronto-cops/ar-AAXXpKx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6f2dfa7b50704505b371fe9f95f04a87

Killing of Tim McLean - Wikipedia

If there's 50% stay of proceedings where you live, then the cops and the DA's office are fucking up. They're either over-charging or else not meeting time limitations.

You may want to elect a different DA or talk to your city councillors.

You know what an NCR finding is, huh? It's "not guilty by reason of insanity". It's not the courts being "soft on crime". The defence has been around since the Middle Ages. Psychotic people with delusions are not tried for criminal offences caused by those delusions. Same in all common law countries. Always been the same.

You can cherry pick headlines which reinforce your simple-minded stereotypes of the justice system 24/7. Trash news rags like the Sun will play on your beliefs because causing outrage sells papers and generates clicks.

 

[Leimonis]

The courts are soft on crime. I see a 50% stay of proceedings where I live

You do all the advocating you want if you got that type of energy. Sign up and be an active member of one of these advocacy groups. Nobody is stopping you. I've got other things to do.

People die every day. It's a part of life. I can't worry about other people. What you can control is your own situation, not others. Drive carefully, adopt a healthy lifestyle by exercising, not drinking too much and overeating, don't go out for walks in bad neighourhoods at night, etc.

The world always seems to be falling apart, but not really. It's just normal.

And FYI, there's no open carry in Canada. My gun buddies are great by the way. One is an Anesthesiologist that coaches aboriginal youth in both archery and rifle shooting. Another is a Mercedes Benz Technician that helps me with my car repair questions. Another is a employment law lawyer who has helped me out with work practices. The guy who organizes local matches owns a very successful demolition company. Really diverse group from all walks of life.

not-criminally-responsible-for-murder-located-toronto-cops/ar-AAXXpKx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6f2dfa7b50704505b371fe9f95f04a87

Killing of Tim McLean - Wikipedia

I call bullshit on 50% stay. Name that jurisdiction or or forever hold your peace

also, are you concerned about Tim Mclean because he used to be President Trump's colleague?

 

[y2kmark]

He should be labeled a terrorist and not be allowed into Canada.

He shouldn't be allowed in Texas, either...

 

[y2kmark]

The Science Is Clear: Gun Control Saves Lives

By enacting simple laws that make guns safer and harder to get, we can prevent killings like the ones in Uvalde and Buffalo

www.scientificamerican.com

Scientific American? What do they know about science???

 

[tombstoned23]

I will probably catch some flak for this post but I hope I can provide a little bit more insight into why this bill doesn't make much sense and it feels like legal firearms owners of this country are being unfairly targeted.

I’ll admit my bias by saying I am a legal firearms owner. I enjoy going to the range and putting holes in paper. I’m not much of a hunter but that’s just me.

To possess a firearm in Canada we go through a mandated firearms safety course and are subjected to on going criminal background checks. We also have mechanisms within the system to take away guns from suspected suicidal people or public threats.
I believe the only restrictions on people to obtain a firearm in a US State like Texas is to be 18 years and older and to not be a recent felon.
So the comparison between the Canadian system and Texas doesn't really show much as they are vastly different.

As people have already stated in other comments, it it illegally obtained guns that are the issue in Canada. The stats on this we really don't know but I suspect that legal gun owners are probably the most law abiding citizens out there.
Banning other firearms, in this case handguns will not make the criminals comply.

I just wished some of these new bills and laws made sense. I assume the plan with this most recent bill is so that when current owners of handguns die off because there are no transfers and no new guns allowed for purchase that effectively it will ban handguns in a couple of generations.

Same with the Order in Council in May of 2020 where they have made the AR15 a prohibited firearm as well as other semi-automatic firearms. I don't understand why specifically these firearms were picked out, other than the fact that they were used in mass shootings in Canada in the past. There are other semi-automatic rifles that are similar in operation to the AR15 yet are still classified as a non-restricted firearm. If public safety was truly the goal, shouldn't they have banned all of these types of firearms. Sure it would have been a bitter pill to swallow for me personally but at least it makes sense. Still waiting on Justin to come to my house to with a cheque to pick mine up. I doubt that's going to happen and it will just have to be destroyed when I die.

The new bill is just for show. It makes it look like our government is doing something but in reality accomplishes very little.

It's probably best I get out of this hobby as it was already pretty restrictive to begin with, but if this bill goes through into law that will make it too insane. But then again, that's what they want anyways from the sound of it.

 

[mandrill]

I call bullshit on 50% stay. Name that jurisdiction or or forever hold your peace

Yeah, I pretty much agree. Any DA who did that poorly would be disciplined.

 

[poorboy]

I call bullshit on 50% stay. Name that jurisdiction or or forever hold your peace

also, are you concerned about Tim Mclean because he used to be President Trump's colleague?

You can call bullshit all you want.

Take look at Surrey, British Columbia

Just to educate you on the Court System out here, Crown Counsel lays the charge in British Columbia, not the police.