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Robert Mugabe

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A gun is a tool. It has no conscience. It can be used for both good and evil. If you were Ukrainian, you would be scouring the country to get your hands on one to defend your country.

How many people drive? How many driving assholes and psychos are out there that drive drunk and kill people? More people die from fatal collisions in my city than homicides on a consistent basis. As well, there are on average 150 drunk drivers a month who receive a 90 day prohibition for driving drunk. Why aren't there alcohol interlock devices on every single car?

Taking a firearms course and learning how to use them will give you first hand experience to formulate your own opinion as opposed to having the media feed you what you should believe.

Regulations that are often introduced go for the easy low hanging fruit instead of addressing the real problem.

For the U.S., the horse has left the barn. That's the sad reality with as many guns as people in the country, but people don't like hearing that. Not all problems can be solved.
A gun is a tool. It's soul purpose is to kill people. (or animals) It has no other purpose. America isn't the Ukraine. America's big threat disappeared in 1771.A car is a tool. It isn't designed to kill people any more than a faulty elevator is. Get rid of all guns and you would get rid of all gun deaths. As proven in countries that outlaw them. People have proven they aren't to be trusted with guns. They are not a right. There is no fucking reason Joe Public should have a gun.
 

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A gun is a tool. It's soul purpose is to kill people. (or animals) It has no other purpose. America isn't the Ukraine. America's big threat disappeared in 1771.A car is a tool. It isn't designed to kill people any more than a faulty elevator is. Get rid of all guns and you would get rid of all gun deaths. As proven in countries that outlaw them. People have proven they aren't to be trusted with guns. They are not a right. There is no fucking reason Joe Public should have a gun.
The vast majority of Joe Public legal gun owners are good people.
 

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A gun is a tool. It's soul purpose is to kill people. (or animals) It has no other purpose. America isn't the Ukraine. America's big threat disappeared in 1771.A car is a tool. It isn't designed to kill people any more than a faulty elevator is. Get rid of all guns and you would get rid of all gun deaths. As proven in countries that outlaw them. People have proven they aren't to be trusted with guns. They are not a right. There is no fucking reason Joe Public should have a gun.
No it isn't. What you are expressing is a personal opinion.

There's this thing called the shooting sports.

Try watching the Olympics to view one of the many shooting competitions recognized worldwide.

As stated before, the horse has left the barn in the U.S. It would be impossible collect 300 million guns in the U.S. Outlawing guns in the U.S won't do anything. Criminals don't obey laws.

Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Look in the to history of firearms in the U.S. to get a better understanding of why they'll never get rid of firearms.

People here depend far too much on the press.
 
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No it isn't. What you are expressing is a personal opinion.

There's this thing called the shooting sports.

Try watching the Olympics to view one of the many shooting competitions recognized worldwide.

As stated before, the horse has left the barn in the U.S. It would be impossible collect 300 million guns in the U.S. Outlawing guns in the U.S won't do anything. Criminals don't obey laws.

Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Look in the to history of firearms in the U.S. to get a better understanding of why they'll never get rid of firearms.

People here depend far too much on the press.
No it isn't. What you are expressing is a personal opinion. No it's not. A gun is to kill people. That is not a personal opinion. That is a fact.

There's this thing called the shooting sports.
In America that is called every day life.

Try watching the Olympics to view one of the many shooting competitions recognized worldwide. America would be a gold medallist just on numbers of dead.

While America has left the barn as far as sanity is concerned, if they had no guns there would be less gun deaths from shooting. No doubt they would find other ways to kill each other, but take away the guns and ammo and they would be sort of stuck for ideas for a while.
Agreed. You will never disarm them because they will have their secret stash even if the OGPU were in charge. That's what makes them fuckups of the world. Their identity is inseparable with the myth that masculinity and freedom is tied in with guns.
 
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No it isn't. What you are expressing is a personal opinion. No it's not. A gun is to kill people. That is not a personal opinion. That is a fact.
Maybe you should tell that to these champion shooters.

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I'm pretty sure she's never killed someone or is practicing to kill someone.

Same with this shooter. You should tell her she's not involved in an internationally sanctioned sport and is being set up to kill people.

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You're expressing a personal opinion. Don't get caught in the trap the media is putting out for you. Do independent research and find out first hand, not through media requiring a revenue stream.

As well, America's biggest threat did not disappear in 1771. During WW2, Admiral Yamamoto said “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

Apparently, the Russians said there is a scoped rifle behind every tree in America.

The world has been close to war many times, and though the grace of God, no world war has broken out yet.
 
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Robert Mugabe

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Maybe you should tell that to these champion shooters.

female olympic shooter - Bing images

I'm pretty sure she's never killed someone or is practicing to kill someone.

Same with this shooter. You should tell her she's not involved in an internationally sanctioned sport and is being set up to kill people.

female olympic shooter - Bing images

You're expressing a personal opinion. Don't get caught in the trap the media is putting out for you. Do independent research and find out first hand, not through media requiring a revenue stream.

As well, America's biggest threat did not disappear in 1771. During WW2, Admiral Yamamoto said “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

Apparently, the Russians said there is a scoped rifle behind every tree in America.

The world has been close to war many times, and though the grace of God, no world war has broken out yet.
Fucking bullshit. Admiral Yamamoto had no plans of invading the US. Look at a map.
WW3 hasn't broken out yet. Not because Putin fears the NRA. Because Putin hasn't pushed a button yet. The guy who shot 21 people in a school in Texas last week wasn't worried about a scoped rifle behind every tree. He wasn't even worried about 19 cops waiting for the janitor to open the fucking door. So much for the scoped rifle behind every tree. A 19 year old kid can bring them to a standstill.
Out of about 60 shootings recently, only 4 have been resolved by a good guy with a gun.
 

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Fucking bullshit. Admiral Yamamoto had no plans of invading the US. Look at a map.
WW3 hasn't broken out yet. Not because Putin fears the NRA. Because Putin hasn't pushed a button yet. The guy who shot 21 people in a school in Texas last week wasn't worried about a scoped rifle behind every tree. He wasn't even worried about 19 cops waiting for the janitor to open the fucking door. So much for the scoped rifle behind every tree. A 19 year old kid can bring them to a standstill.
Out of about 60 shootings recently, only 4 have been resolved by a good guy with a gun.
No one said Yamamoto had plans of invading the U.S. His quote was his response when asked about it.

No one said Putin fears the NRA. Not all gun owners belong to the NRA. Are the Russians wrong saying there's a scoped rifle behind every tree? With over 300 million guns in the U.S., Probably not.

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Don't let your emotions get the best of you.
 

Robert Mugabe

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No one said Yamamoto had plans of invading the U.S. His quote was his response when asked about it.

No one said Putin fears the NRA. Not all gun owners belong to the NRA. Are the Russians wrong saying there's a scoped rifle behind every tree? With over 300 million guns in the U.S., Probably not.

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Don't let your emotions get the best of you.
All the 300 million guns in Texas or America. Not one good guy with a gun could stop a 19 year old kid in a school. So what fucking use are they?
 

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All the 300 million guns in Texas or America. Not one good guy with a gun could stop a 19 year old kid in a school. So what fucking use are they?
They are as useful or as useless as the user. That's a point I've been trying to make by telling people they are neither good nor bad and have no conscience.

The failure was with the Uvalde command at the Texas shooting, not the firearms. Good thing the U.S. Border Patrol did not report to the Uvalde Police. They were the good guys with the guns that went in and stopped it from being even worse.
 

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They are as useful or as useless as the user. That's a point I've been trying to make by telling people they are neither good nor bad and have no conscience.

The failure was with the Uvalde command at the Texas shooting, not the firearms. Good thing the U.S. Border Patrol did not report to the Uvalde Police. They were the good guys with the guns that went in and stopped it from being even worse.
If nobody had guns in the first place like the majority of civilized countries, like Canada, this wouldn't have happened. I realize there is gun ownership in Canada but it is not the primary focus of our national identity. As with the USA. Get rid of the guns. you get rid of the gun deaths. Simple math.
 

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Guns are necessary.

If you ban every gun in civilian hands in Canada tomorrow, that would impact the food supply because farmers wouldn't be able to control varmints. Prairie dogs would take over along with coyotes. Deer would ruin cornfields. Even in Japan, they still sell guns to deal with these problems. Then there's the animals that hunt livestock. Canada is mostly rural and they need guns. That's why there's millions in Canada. A gun is a tool. Forgetting the fact the the Inuit indiscriminately shoot everything in sight with no regards to conservation, they wouldn't be able to protect themselves properly from polar bears when they're out on the land.
You say you're ex CAF, so if you were army and had any exposure to the Rangers, you would know my last statement to be true.
The Canadian argument is totally invalid. The Taber, Alberta shooter was 14. Not legally able to use a firearm unsupervised. All the firearms used in the Nova Scotia mass shooting were illegally obtained and the shooter had no license, yet a mass shooting still happened. You want to know something else? There's going to be another mass shooting in Canada.
Just face the facts that for almost 100 years, there have been mass shootings occurring in the U.S. on a regular basis.
You can't change it. You can waste a lot of energy thinking legislation will prevent it, but it won't. Columbine is the school shooting everyone refers to, and that's 20 years ago. Sandy Hook, Denver, etc. Still happening. There has to be a cultural shift and a willingness to deal with Mental Health issues on the front end, because dealing with it on the back end is impossible with as many guns as people in the U.S.
That's the sad truth whether you want to accept it or not.
Start looking into things more. Depend less on the press, or else you're going to start sounding like basketcase.
Okay, so farmers need guns to shoot gophers. And it proves I'm not army if I don't know about polar bears. That's some argument against gun control you got going there.

And in other countries, you get a tiny fraction of the mass shootings that you get in the US because the killer in those other countries gets an illegal gun. That doesn't mean that gun control is "ineffective". There are rapes too. That doesn't mean that the law against rape is "ineffective". That just means that there will always be breaches of whatever law is on the books.

If there was no law against rape, then there would be a helluva lot more rapes.

It's pretty clear that those 19 kids in TX would still be alive if TX had Canadian-style gun laws. So again, stop ducking that fact and deal with my argument.
 
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