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apoptygma

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I'm assuming you meant to say who? The gas companies pay for the gas stations and they have franchises. On what point am I being obtuse? I assume you think like Frank that it's an easy fix. I think you are the one that's obtuse or just fail to have a basic understanding of the issue.
At some point, the gas companies sat down and said: "how are we going to get gas everywhere so that people will buy it and become reliant on it"?
Why can't that happen with an alternative energy source?
Why are you so narrow-minded?
 

Moviefan-2

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What's the matter...offended that I had to correct you misquoting me again?
It's not just you.

Is that why you keep posting about how the world isn't warming....
There are numerous examples that prove that statement is total bullshit. Here's a quote from four years ago:

And yet ....

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...armer-Planet&p=5394609&viewfull=1#post5394609

The 1ºC increase was over a period of about 135 years, not 25 years.

The real lesson here is that you just cut and paste things that you don't understand.
For the record: I have never posted that "the world isn't warming."

:biggrin1:
 

Frankfooter

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Quite the opposite actually.
Glad we cleared that up.
My mistake, I forget that you can't follow the logical conclusions of your own positions.
."Government should be focused on protecting its citizens and growing the economy."
And as we've seen, its cheaper and better for the government to provide healthcare, witness Canada vs the US.
But that's a step in logic that requires reasoning.
Sorry for assuming you could take it.
 

Boober69

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My mistake, I forget that you can't follow the logical conclusions of your own positions.


And as we've seen, its cheaper and better for the government to provide healthcare, witness Canada vs the US.
But that's a step in logic that requires reasoning.
Sorry for assuming you could take it.
Cheaper for who?
Which qualaity of healthcare is better private or public?
Some of the best hospitals in the world are in the US.
 

Frankfooter

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It's not just you.



There are numerous examples that prove that statement is total bullshit. Here's a quote from four years ago:



For the record: I have never posted that "the world isn't warming."

:biggrin1:
Sure you haven't.
In that entire 150-year timeframe, there is only a stretch of 20 years where there is a correlation between man-made CO2 emissions and increasing temperatures.
 

Boober69

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At some point, the gas companies sat down and said: "how are we going to get gas everywhere so that people will buy it and become reliant on it"?
Why can't that happen with an alternative energy source?
Why are you so narrow-minded?
Ohhhhh...you mean like dilithium crystals!
Sheesh why didn't you say so?
 

Frankfooter

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Cheaper for who?
Which qualaity of healthcare is better private or public?
Some of the best hospitals in the world are in the US.
The life expectancy is going down in the US and up in Canada.
Canada's health care is much cheaper.

I'd ask you to figure out which is better, but that's probably too much reasoning to ask of you.
 

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At some point, the gas companies sat down and said: "how are we going to get gas everywhere so that people will buy it and become reliant on it"?
Why can't that happen with an alternative energy source?
Why are you so narrow-minded?
Germany decided a number of years ago to decommission all of their nuke plants in favour or renewable energy. Now they're short and are resorting to fossil fuels to fill in the gap.

The energy has to come from somewhere, and renewable energy sources are neither sufficient nor always fully available, nor are they as cost-effective as non-renewable. In a trading and free market world economy, you can be as eco-friendly as you want, but your population's standard of living is going to take a hit if that country can't compete on the world stage.
 

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Ultimately, the solution to pollution/climate change is a population cull. As long as the world's population keeps on increasing, and their standard of living improving, their consumption of energy, resources, manufactured goods and travel will keep on increasing. Pollution is the inevitable result, no mater how much carbon tax is imposed.

The 'West' is hypocritical, as it wants developing countries to cease the polluting abuses of the developed world that made it rich. So-called eco-friendly technologies are not as cost efficient as pollution producing technologies the developing countries are using to achieve their present goals.

We can't get past the problem that, for example, the more people there are on earth, the more beef they want to eat, and the more methane gas produced, which is a major greenhouse gas. Now the West is saying to them: 'don't eat beef like we did'. And resorting to vegan production is in itself very ecologically damaging, as cultivated fields destroy local flora and fauna ecologies. Maybe you can say to your middle class friends to live off the land, but that is simply impossible for the billions of people who live in urban areas.
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
If we in the west want China and other developing
countries to cease polluting the earth I have a solution.
Build our own factories to manufacture all the goods in
Walmart and Canadian Tire and use only renewable
energy to power the factories. Then we can reduce
them back to third world nations by not buying things
from them and problems solved.
 

wilbur

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If we in the west want China and other developing
countries to cease polluting the earth I have a solution.
Build our own factories to manufacture all the goods in
Walmart and Canadian Tire and use only renewable
energy to power the factories. Then we can reduce
them back to third world nations by not buying things
from them and problems solved.
That's what Communism is all about: a centrally planned economy. To hell with profits, we're going to build state factories and you're going to dictate to Canadian Tire and Walmart to sacrifice profits for political reasons. Karl Marks would be proud.

And in case it's not on your radar, China's trade with Canada is only 1/50th of its world trade. So they don't need Canada and Canada would only shoot itself in the foot by reducing demand for its products, while increasing costs for its consumers; a recipe for political electoral disaster. China's middle class in now 400 million, and they can get all they want in resources from Russia, and European countries like France are still very eager to sell them stuff, like 30 billion dollars worth of Airbus airplanes, 4 months ago.
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
If the goal is net-zero CO2 emission by 2050 pledged
by Catherine McKenna it will take central planning of
the economy to accomplish that goal. You cannot
rely on capitalism to fight climate change. Communism
OTOH would assure us economic collapse which is
rough on our lifestyle but should be relatively
benign on our environment.
 

apoptygma

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I asked you first.
Why do you guys like answering questions with questions? Jeezuz it's so predictable.
You accused me of preaching something (but didn't specify what that is), then asked me if I was practicing it (which is impossible to answer).
I should have taken the hint from other messages that your critical reasoning skills are critically lacking.
 

apoptygma

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Ohhhhh...you mean like dilithium crystals!
Sheesh why didn't you say so?
Ahhh... so as far as you are concerned, fossil fuels is the height of human achievement when it comes to technological achievement.
Maybe with people like you running the show... but I have faith that there are plenty of people that are just a tad smarter than you, and they actually want to find better fuels.
 

Frankfooter

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If the goal is net-zero CO2 emission by 2050 pledged
by Catherine McKenna it will take central planning of
the economy to accomplish that goal. You cannot
rely on capitalism to fight climate change. Communism
OTOH would assure us economic collapse which is
rough on our lifestyle but should be relatively
benign on our environment.
7% decline in world GPD without mitigation 0% if we take care of it.
Which makes better business sense?
 

Boober69

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The life expectancy is going down in the US and up in Canada.
Canada's health care is much cheaper.

I'd ask you to figure out which is better, but that's probably too much reasoning to ask of you.
You can't use life expectency as a measure of how good healthcare institutions perform in a country. There are many factors that contribute to how long someone lives. It's not about whether they are using public or provate healthcare.

4 out of the 10 best hospitals in the world are in the US.

https://www.newsweek.com/2019/04/05/10-best-hospitals-world-1368512.html


And just like I've always said about private and public schools, given the choice, which one would most people choose?
 

Boober69

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You accused me of preaching something (but didn't specify what that is), then asked me if I was practicing it (which is impossible to answer).
I should have taken the hint from other messages that your critical reasoning skills are critically lacking.
Says the guy on a computer who never misses an opportunity to damn fossil fuels but everything he uses in his life is derived from fossil fuels including his computer.

And because you also never miss an opportunity to throw in an insult with every last line of your posts, I'll return the favoiur...

You're a fraud.
 
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