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xarir

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My HR person at work quoted a stat that said in corporate Canada, a mere 5% of the workforce earns more than $100K. That surprised me as I thought the number would be much higher than that. But when I paused to think about it, I realized that 5% might actually be correct. In my own company the 5% number is probably a little low but not by much.

What do you guys think? Is it true that only 5% of the corporate folks in Canada earn more than $100K?
 
It is hard to say.. There are allot of VP's for different areas of a compnay these days. Personaly I think it may be a little low, but I know a few people that are makeing over 100k and they don't do shit at the jobs. Just sit and boss around folks, sign a few documents and say that they had a hard day at work.. :)
 
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eyeofthedragon

I wonder how many of them "earn" their income - I know I do
 

galt

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eyeofthedragon said:
I wonder how many of them "earn" their income - I know I do
I would hazard to say that most of them do. Quite often staff look at senior management and think that they don't do anything. However, many fail to realize the level of responsibility and accountability placed on management making over 100K.

I know we have all read horror stories in the press regarding the likes of Elenor Clithero, Fast Andy Fastau (sp?), Kenneth Lay, and even Martha Stewart. Fact of the matter is, these are not the norm. Most people in the 100K+ crowd work excessively long hours, (12-15 hours a day) and have responsibility for revenue and P&L. Most of them are a single quarter of missed targets away from the unemployment line. Miss a revenue quota when the rest of the company does well and if you don't have a solid business or market reason why, you're history.

For most of these people the job doesn't stay at work, it comes home with them, it follows them on weekends and there really is no seperation of work and personal life. In most cases your friends are your work colleagues and spouses are often friends of the spouses of colleagues.

Reality is that it takes a different kind of person to sustain this. They need to have a certain passion for their jobs that is not the norm and money is rarely a motivator for them (although lack of money is certainly a demotivator).
 

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I tend to agree with you Galt.....in many large companies, the exec staff in the $100k range tend to be the work horses who keep the company running smoothly. The 9 to 5 staff see them on the phone a lot or out golfing mid week! they don't see the evening and weekend work that goes with the job! Or the long hours away from home on company business......

Of course, along the way there are a few empty buckets in this salary range, but they seldom realize they are on borrowed time, and sooner or later, surprise surprise, they are out of a job. they don't realize until it's too late that in Canada, if you are 50 or older, your chances of finding a similar rewarding job at this income level are slim to none!

Most folk at this income level want to progress higher and make it their business to be dedicated to the job!
 

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eyeofthedragon said:
I wonder how many of them "earn" their income - I know I do
Hey! How much is Fred paying you?
 
galt & kbluejayk...Exacatly! Managment/executive staff effectivley have no protection at work. While it's true that people in this income frame may have the ablity to sue for wrongful dismissal....typicaly these people have their continued employment tied to their PERFORMANCE.
Their performance of course, likely hinges on the the actions/in-actions of their staff.
No Union protection in the event of a down turn!
12-15 hour days are normal, as are telephone calls at 3am Sunday asking for direction.
Whatever:very few people deserve, or are commited to a job anywhere near enough to earn $100k a year.
I hope some day I'll make it!
 
Fred, if I got my Ministry of TERB grant....I'd make well over a $100k a year..and be able to brcome a full time reviewer.
You know like AAA/CAA or Michalin...I give the loco 1 star for ambiance/location....but the staff tries their best to...umm ..satisfiy!
What do you think!!!!
 

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lol...in an ideal world I suppose reviewers should be paid since they are supplying the content so to speak.

Who knows, maybe one of these days TERB will actually turn a profit and we will be able to put all the members on salary :)
 

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Fred Zed said:
EOTD will get a raise before the end of he summer shack.
I HEARD THAT!
 

Chivas Regal

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There are other LEGAL ways to make over a $100k / year, however, like Grandaddy used to say you don't get anything easy. Many small business owners work the 12-15 hrs/d or more and are on cal 24/7.
Depending on your business, many corp staff are asked to work longer and more varied hours. At the same time middle management is asked to carry more of the day to day accountability.

In todays world it is easy to lose site of what is really important. It isn't the money.

Chivas Regal
 

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galt said:
I would hazard to say that most of them do. Quite often staff look at senior management and think that they don't do anything. However, many fail to realize the level of responsibility and accountability placed on management making over 100K.

Most people in the 100K+ crowd work excessively long hours, (12-15 hours a day) and have responsibility for revenue and P&L. Most of them are a single quarter of missed targets away from the unemployment line. Miss a revenue quota when the rest of the company does well and if you don't have a solid business or market reason why, you're history.

For most of these people the job doesn't stay at work, it comes home with them, it follows them on weekends and there really is no seperation of work and personal life.
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I don't agree with this, I believe what you are saying might apply to those making $ 250m plus but not those just over $ 100 m.

I know for a fact that at the companies I have worked for the top management was not working 12 - 15 hr days and was making well over $ 100m. I also know of several companies that although the company was losing money the executives continued to collect fat salaries.
 

galt

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booboobear said:
I don't agree with this, I believe what you are saying might apply to those making $ 250m plus but not those just over $ 100 m.

I know for a fact that at the companies I have worked for the top management was not working 12 - 15 hr days and was making well over $ 100m. I also know of several companies that although the company was losing money the executives continued to collect fat salaries.
First of all, the part that you edited out of my response was the part where I acknowledged that there are a few bad apples out there. Of that there is no doubt.

Secondly, unless you're following these sr managers home at night and staying with them on weekends how do you know what hours they are and aren't working?

Third, just because a company is losing money does not mean that sr. management is doing a poor job. It may be that a particular company has had a track record of successive losses and sr management are following a plan to bring a company back to profitability. That plan may have several key annual milestones of positive growth that may not actually involve profitability for several years. Point is, they are invaribly being measured against targets and, if they are not being measured or they are missing those targets, they are on a VERY short road to the unemployment line.

As one of the, undoubtedly several people on this board in the $100K + category, I know that I make an exceedingly small hourly wage and, in looking at my colleagues I can honestly say that every one of them works their asses off.

Unfortunately, sometimes staff see us coming in at 10:30am in the morning and form an opinion. They fail to understand that the evening before, we may have been getting a proposal completed and emailed it to a client at 5:30 am before going to bed to get a couple of hours of sleep. Sometimes my staff sees me leave at 4pm. What they don't see is the fact that I was up for a conference call at 3:00am with a colleague over in Paris and decided to come straight into the office. Sometimes I may take a Wednesday off to golf with some asshole client but that doesn't mean that my workload decreases. It just means that I work a few extra hours on Saturday and Sunday to make up for it.

I get four weeks vacation and have NEVER taken more than two nor have I gotten paid for what I didn't take. Most importantly though, with the exception of my most recent job, I love what I do. what spare time I do have I cherish and spend with friends and use it to work on my book.

Chivas you hit the nail on the head. It isn't the money that is the driver. If it were people in this category wouldn't survive. They'd either become dead wood and be out of work or they would die of a heart attack by 40. A high salary does not create job satisfaction. One must love what they do and get their drive from watching something that they have created and built come to fruition.
 

canucklehead

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I never work....why because i love what i do and make a lot of money doing what i love..... the average canadian family income ( family of 4) is in the 65 000 range...... in Toronto it is in the low 70s.
 

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I totally agree. The 9-to-5ers and out aren't the ones who ever make it into senior mangement. You need the passion to stick around and put in the long hours.

As for the 5%, that sounds right for Canada. It's significantly higher in the States.
 

kbluejayk

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Good points by all!.....and one more thing, all execs at this salary level and above, at the end of the day, are mere decimal points in the Balance Sheet! The 'loyalty' factor disappeared about 15 years ago. If the company continues to loose money year after year, at some point a new CEO will emerge with a mission to strip costs.....and guess who the primary targets are....those in upper management and long term staff at the high end of the wage scale! So, while its real nice to earn the big bucks, the astute people are the ones who can equip themselves with the job knowledge, the business smarts and the network needed for timely career moves ahead of any future crisis.
 

Chivas Regal

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I find it funny that $100k has been used as the benchmark for this survey.
Why was that number chosen, and not, say $250k?

There is a long standing joke where I work that salaried employees work for .50 cents an hour. And our lowest salaried employees base is just over $100 k / annnum. In support of galt's comments, unless you have walked in those shoes, becareful what you wish for.

Chivas Regal
 

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Wonder what percentage of non management hit the 100k mark?
e.g. Tradesmen or production line workers who put in significant overtime.
 
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