Yes the dems started this. But no matter how much money they pour into Ukraine they are now fighting 2 major wars and their production is years from catching up. NATO is a chihuahua. Article 5 was used once and it resulted in a defeat by the Taliban. lol And that was when Russia was at its weakest and actually was assisting NATO. That war was launched at close to the peak of US hegemony.
Former German Army head exposes lies about Ukraine war.
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Invasion was not illegal. Its legal under "right to protect" of international law. Ukraine was already murdering its citizens in the east.
AI Overview
Yes, Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine is illegal under international law. [1, 2]
Key Legal Violations
- UN Charter Article 2(4): The invasion violates the foundational rule of international law that prohibits member states from using force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any other state. [1, 2]
- Lack of Legal Justification: Russian claims of self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter were rejected because Ukraine did not launch an armed attack against Russia. Russian assertions regarding "denazification" or the prevention of genocide in the Donbas region lacked factual support and do not legally authorize military intervention under international law. [1, 2, 3]
International Response and Rulings
- United Nations General Assembly: The UN General Assembly overwhelmingly passed resolutions (such as with 141 member states voting in favor) condemning the invasion as an unlawful act of aggression and demanding a full military withdrawal. [1, 2]
Bla bla bla. UNGA is toothless and AI is US controlled.. US does illegal things 7x24x365. They actually kidnapped a head of state lol. Many NATO nations bombed Libya, Iraq etc so its pointless. There is no international law. If a major power feels it is threatened then you have a choice, back down or risk attack. No one in the west did FUCK ALL to try and prevent this war. Because they WANTED this war. They thought they could get Russia to crumble, depose Putin and the Yeltsin years of pillaging would be back. Just like the US thought Iran would crumble and they could put the Shah Jr in power and all would be $weet!
You're so full of shit, I bet your eyes are brown! Just like a MAGA, if the truth hurts, it's fake news. Yet you will lap up Russian State Tv like Putinass's little lap dog.
What does the anti-fracking campaign in the US have to do with anything we are talking about?
Also, why are you now bringing in Putin paying people?
Stop.
Do you have a theory here or are you just babbling random bullshit?
All those points are fair, squeezer.
You can't cry about international law while you back Israel, its genocide, wars and land theft.
trump is killing the UN influence and the ICC's power.
He destroyed those tools defending Netanyahu.
You chose to back it.
And remember when trump made a deal with Putin for diesel?
When Musk pulled Starlink out of Ukrianian hands?
You can't help but vomit your obsession into every thread that is not about Israel eh
I love that you just abandoned even pretending you were arguing for it being legal in just two posts.
At least here you are going with "International relations are anarchy", which is more honest.
Israel is the vomit, squeezer.
If you don't want to be called out for hypocrisy, don't be a hypocrite.
Again, all fair points about international law.
America never played by the law in practice before but under trump they are even more despotic than Russia.
Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Libya and Venezuela are all the policies of a rogue nation.
Under trump, america is hated as much as Russia and almost as much as Israel.
Why do you think you can argue that Russia should be held to the law but not america?
The "Right to Protect" concept was used by the USA to bomb Serbia in the 90s, But in this case Russia used this justification to protect Russian Ukrainians that were being attacked in eastern Ukraine after the legit govt was couped and they decided to not recognize the coup govt that had no legitimacy. So call it what you want. If there was a coup in Ottawa by Truckers (for example) and they put in a new govt and banned French, what do you think might happen? I think Russia was right to invade. If they had not. the AFU would have attacked eastern Urkaine, many civvies would have been killed and refugees would have poured across the border to Russia. Also as a practical matter, some key elements of the USSRs mic ended up in Ukraine including companies that manufactured missile guidance system for Russia's ICBMs. So it not really something they could really do without. Those have all been relocated to Russia now, which is why Russia would have been content with Minsk 1 and then 2. But the point is the West wanted this war. That is why they did not press for Minsk even though they sponsored it. I am not sure how it ends but I think if there is not a well negotiated peace, Russia will have no choice but to take all of Ukraine and conduct a campaign of brutal repression against NATO funded Ukrainians that will probably continue the war through an insurgency. And Russia will probably respond in kind. So if Europe refuses a new security architecture, then the war will continue and when the Russian have defeated the AFU it will still roil on for the rest of our live essentially.
Yet you really have no alternative explanation for events do you? You can see the same pattern in cuba, venezuela, iran even against Canada. Yet all you can blather on is ITS pooooooootinnnnn
I am familiar with R2P.
It is "Responsibility to Protect" but I do find your slip illuminating since it acts as a tacit admission of how cynically you are applying it.
I am not sure why you went back to it, though, since you admitted just a post ago that you think there is no such thing as International Law and the UNGC shouldn't be respected or obeyed and it is a UN principal.
I happen to agree that the current US government could use a coup to suppress French as a reason to invade Canada.
(To be fair, it is more likely it would support such suppression, given who would be likely to lead that coup.)
Invading Canada would, almost certainly, be viewed as an act of aggression if done like that.
Again, you have made it clear repeatedly that you claim a regional hegemon has the right to dictate -- even to the point of military invasion -- the state of affairs of all nations in its sphere of influence.
You don't have to repeat it.
(This right doesn't apply to Israel for you, though. But the US, China, and Russia clearly can invade whatever country they want at any time because they have the power to do so.)
That you admit above that you think Russia will wage war throughout the rest of our lives is sad and depressing, but maybe you don't expect to live very long. (It's better than thinking you are this much of a war monger.)
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