War with Iran

Uwauwa

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In this case the US constitution. Remember Bush went to Congress and got permission for Afghanistan and Iraq. It's about getting the consent of the reps of the people, making sure one man does not have the power to unilaterally declare war.

It's also needed to fund the war, as Congress approves all spending..
I see. I am def not an expert on the US constitution but my understanding that the this is still an ongoing debate - it’s not black and white, and there is some nuance. I would defer it to the US court to conclude.
 

kherg007

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Standard military doctrine is attackers have a 3-1 ratio advantage of personnel, and if it is mountainous, 9-1. Iran is mountainous.
Technology can reduce that, as per Gulf war with less advanced opponent arnies..
There are around a million military members (soldiers, reservist etc) in Iran plus heaps of irregulars.

Hopefully the US troop movements a negotiating thing. But I fear dick waving is clouding judgments.
 

Uwauwa

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Bin Laden was a good guy at one time. He was working for the US, via the CIA.
Saddam Hussain was a good guy at one time. USA gave him chemical weapons to fight Iran. Iran did not use chemical weapons.
USA got rid of the Syrian leader Assad, and replaced him with a isis leader, a former head chopper.

Do you see how the USA is causing the problem?
The US may have caused problems sure. But that doesn’t matter right now, because the war has started already. It is happening. Therefore, they better achieve a desired outcome from it.
 

Butler1000

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I see. I am def not an expert on the US constitution but my understanding that the this is still an ongoing debate - it’s not black and white, and there is some nuance. I would defer it to the US court to conclude.
Essentially the power was conceded by Congress by just ignoring what he does as President. It's been doing this for awhile because they don't want to vote on it. Then they have to take responsibility.

It's cut and dried. They just have to assert it.
 

Uwauwa

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Essentially the power was conceded by Congress by just ignoring what he does as President. It's been doing this for awhile because they don't want to vote on it. Then they have to take responsibility.

It's cut and dried. They just have to assert it.
I heard that argument but again there are other opinions and it is nuanced, not a straight cut. See e.g. this https://constitutioncenter.org/blog...te-take-on-a-new-context-in-the-iran-conflict
Again, I am not an expert in the US laws, and you might well be right. But, the jury is still out on this so I will wait until their court decides it was illegal, before calling it so.
 

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Oh I see. They are not that bad then?
And the west should have waited until they have a nuclear bomb and long range ballistic rockets. Right. Makes sense.
trump was the one that tore up the JCPOA that guaranteed they weren't building the bomb.

40% of the world's helium is offline, MRI's and AI will suffer.
Aluminum, fertilizer, LNG....

 

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AI Netanyahu is a bit like trump these days, no filter and totally ok with saying the really evil stuff out loud.

'we are the attacking side'

so much for anyone ever saying Israelis are peaceful.

That is all they know.
Air strikes, death and destruction.
They think it is going to bring them security.
But all they get are more missiles, rockets, terror attacks and global hate.
They are the architects of their own decline.
 

squeezer

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You gotta know that trump is already hiding casualty numbers. What is the public number, is it still 8?
The question is how high can they go before he has to admit it.

I don't believe they are. The injuries have all been disclosed. He would if he could, but he's not. The families of the fallen have to be notified and they would not keep silent. I know it's what you hope but stick to the facts and don't spout off misinformation. I don't like Trump and I want him to fail but I still will not state bullshit and nonsense.

AI Netanyahu is a bit like trump these days, no filter and totally ok with saying the really evil stuff out loud.
Wait, are you admitting he's not dead???
 

Butler1000

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Barron should get one of those letters!!!!!!
Um....reserves, as in already in , national guard,etc.

Barron is going to be in for a rough ride. So will Melania. She won't be able to help herself and will be caught saying something stupid about "not her son". Some classist thing I imagine.

And that will go viral
 

squeezer

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Um....reserves, as in already in , national guard,etc.

Barron is going to be in for a rough ride. So will Melania. She won't be able to help herself and will be caught saying something stupid about "not her son". Some classist thing I imagine.

And that will go viral
I realize he's not in the reserves but his daddy is sending folks into the lions den. A draft dodger claiming he had heel spurs is sending young men into battle. As Jesse Ventura said, A Trump should serve in the military. Perhaps Trump Jr. or Eric can do it.
 

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I don't believe they are. The injuries have all been disclosed. He would if he could, but he's not. The families of the fallen have to be notified and they would not keep silent. I know it's what you hope but stick to the facts and don't spout off misinformation. I don't like Trump and I want him to fail but I still will not state bullshit and nonsense.



Wait, are you admitting he's not dead???
US does lie.

They said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Well that was a lie.
Trump said the election was stolen. Lie.
Trump said he won the war. Lie.
Trump claims Canada is ripping off the US. Lie.
Trump claims Canada is send massive amounts of fentynal drugs to the US. Lie.
Trump said he would end the Ukraine/Russia war first day he was elected. Lie.
Trump said he would not start another war. Lie.
Trump said he ended 8 wars. Lie.
 

Butler1000

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I realize he's not in the reserves but his daddy is sending folks into the lions den. A draft dodger claiming he had heel spurs is sending young men into battle. As Jesse Ventura said, A Trump should serve in the military. Perhaps Trump Jr. or Eric can do it.
Just looked. Jr is too old, Eric is 42 so will hit the new cut off age soon. Tiffany just wouldn't qualify for too many reasons.

Barron in theory doesn't qualify due to height, but that can be changed. As I said, he and Melania will be in for it once body bags come back.
 

squeezer

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Just looked. Jr is too old, Eric is 42 so will hit the new cut off age soon. Tiffany just wouldn't qualify for too many reasons.

Barron in theory doesn't qualify due to height, but that can be changed. As I said, he and Melania will be in for it once body bags come back.
Leave Tiffany alone. She's hot, so she gets a pass. I just want one of the brothers in the combat zone.
 
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