What other cities beat toronto for hobbying ?

Ahri said:

I would assume countries like Thailand and Philippines would be great for hobbying.

on the side note has anyone hobbied in Vietnam / Korea? I always here about how great it is to hobby in Thailand and Philippines but never Korea/Vietnam

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Terb has an International section where these places are discussed.

From the standpoint of a westerner, Korea is surprisingly bad, given the high number of Korean escorts in Los Angeles and Vancouver. The scene in Korea is not particularly westerner-friendly nor is the scene all that large.

Most reviewers are pleased with Saigon / Ho Chi Minh, but not so much with Hanoi. A particular bright spot with southern Vietnam are the English-friendly upper-end escorts who provide GFE services at a very reasonable price. There are some specific recommendations in the International section, and if I recall correctly, a few recommendations for Korea that come from the English website for Farangs in Japan. There are also relatively good massage parlors in Saigon.

Japan has the bizarre system where covered full service anal sex and BBBJTCIM are legal, but a lady breaks the law by doing covered full service vaginal (a law often broken). Some Japanese places will serve westerners (with one place specializing in doing so), and some won’t serve westerners.

Asia is very difficult to figure out, with the exception of Thailand and the Philippines, but reading reviews and message boards help in the other areas of Asia.

Ahri said:

I would assume countries like Thailand and Philippines would be great for hobbying.

on the side note has anyone hobbied in Vietnam / Korea? I always here about how great it is to hobby in Thailand and Philippines but never Korea/Vietnam

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Here's a post where I described my experience in Seoul.

There is very little to complain about in Toronto as with a little effort, most things can be had across a vast spectrum to appeal to almost anyone's tastes.
Having said that, I cannot think of another place I have spent a significant amount of time in that has been able to curate almost Berghain-type experiences like that of NYC.
Manhattan is a fantastical place for such pursuits if that is your thing.

I'm with those who believe Montreal is better than Toronto. Several good outcall agencies and independents, and I find the prices to be quite a bit lower in my experience. The outcall agency we use charges around $260 per hour, and adds $100 for couples. Contrast that with Cupids, our Toronto agency of choice, who charges $400 downtown, around $420 outside, and adds $150 for couples. That's a savings of about $140 to $200 per hour for a 5 or so hour drive east.

Have hobbied in Barcelona, Munich, Thailand, Hong Kong and Jakarta and nothing beats Jakarta.

Extremely devoted SPs who just know how to please you. SPA scene was great as well. Had a roster of ~5 women as SBs at any point of time plus you could also find new women daily through tinder.

My average spend was less than 150 CAD (pre covid) for a night and a lot of women just wanted you to take them to fancy bars and restaurants which cost me even less. I guess this was due to the increasing sexual repression in their society because of Islamicization but in any case had the time of my life there.

Would go out of my way to get projects in Jakarta. Must have met more than 50 women and more than 100 nights of fun.

Iamkunal91 said:

Have hobbied in Barcelona, Munich, Thailand, Hong Kong and Jakarta and nothing beats Jakarta.

Extremely devoted SPs who just know how to please you. SPA scene was great as well. Had a roster of ~5 women as SBs at any point of time plus you could also find new women daily through tinder.

My average spend was less than 150 CAD (pre covid) for a night and a lot of women just wanted you to take them to fancy bars and restaurants which cost me even less. I guess this was due to the increasing sexual repression in their society because of Islamicization but in any case had the time of my life there.

Would go out of my way to get projects in Jakarta. Must have met more than 50 women and more than 100 nights of fun.

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How do you meet SBs there?

Iamkunal91 said:

Have hobbied in Barcelona, Munich, Thailand, Hong Kong and Jakarta and nothing beats Jakarta.

Extremely devoted SPs who just know how to please you. SPA scene was great as well. Had a roster of ~5 women as SBs at any point of time plus you could also find new women daily through tinder.

My average spend was less than 150 CAD (pre covid) for a night and a lot of women just wanted you to take them to fancy bars and restaurants which cost me even less. I guess this was due to the increasing sexual repression in their society because of Islamicization but in any case had the time of my life there.

Would go out of my way to get projects in Jakarta. Must have met more than 50 women and more than 100 nights of fun.

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Were the SPs all locals ? Just curious as I have found Indonesia pretty repressive although I didn't spend any time in Jakarta. Someone told me there are a lot of EE women peddling themselves in Bali.

Red Dragon posted a while back with what a pain it is to drive / transit around Toronto and Vancouver to visit some of the local beauties. When I was travelling a bunch, I kinda knew where to stay in Montreal, Vancouver & Toronto to avoid the dam traffic. Montreal’s traffic was hopeless.

Diversity, efficiency, cost, beauty and of course performance are all factors that I take into account.

I fondly remember the unbelievable times I spent in Kiev. There was this massive barge/ nightclub on the Dniper river where literally 3-400 women would strut their stuff nightly. The quality was unlike any place I’ve ever experienced. Good times.

Apache3205 said:

How do you meet SBs there?

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My info is from 2019 so it is likely dated but Tinder was what I relied on. Some offered “massages”, some were looking for SDs. This was mentioned in their profile intro.

If I liked someone who wasn’t advertising openly I simply asked and had a success rate of more than 50%. Plenty of women were not SPs but were not opposed to fucking for money.

Additionally you can use the spas or take references from your dates through Tinder.

Liam011 said:

Were the SPs all locals ? Just curious as I have found Indonesia pretty repressive although I didn't spend any time in Jakarta. Someone told me there are a lot of EE women peddling themselves in Bali.

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No idea about Bali but sounds possible to me.

The ones I went with all either Indonesian (about 90%) or Thai, Filipina or from Java (they have different facial features)

canada-man said:

Vancouver

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Vancouver doesn't compare to Toronto. You may get some hot girls but the service/price ratio is much lower compared to Toronto.

coolmanfever said:

I used to live in Vancouver and hobby there. Selection is less and price per hour is more than toronto. Toronto is better than vancouver imo

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Agree. Toronto is way better than Vancouver.

black booty lover said:

Toronto used to pretty good spot, it's gone waaaay down.

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Still the best in Canada. But I agree that the talent pool has thinned out. With exception of few girls, I really am not too excited about seeing most girls that are available.

Pretty well all cities outside of North America that have major mongering scenes are better than Toronto because of the following reasons;

1) Most international mongering destinations have venues where you can not only see but can often talk to SPs live in person before committing to a session. The visual part totally eliminates the bait and switch along with extensive Photoshopping we have to deal with here in both GTA agencies and Leolist. Places abroad where you can talk to SPs allow you to further determine if they will be able to do what you want in a session.

2) In many international destinations (but not all), the cost per session is often much lower than here in the GTA and for rates even lower than the usual hourly ones here, you can have a woman for an all nighter with multiple pops if you want.

3) Many venues abroad allow for a social element among us mongerers. For example, I've been in many girlie bars and hotels set up for mongerers where dudes hang out and share intel not only about the local scene but also of other interesting international scenes they have visited. This is very different from here where mongering is pretty well a solo activity other than online at forums like terb. At first, many dudes might not be comfortable with other dudes around but once you get to see just how casual and easy going some of these international scenes are, it's a welcomed element that's lacking here.

4) Here in GTA there's always that potential walk of shame past condo security and hotel front desks as well as housekeeping staff. At many places abroad, heck the entire streets are set up for mongering (example Pattaya) with venue after venue filled with available girls not only inside but also outside in front. There's no need to be worried about police either.

Guys who monger only in Toronto and within North America are really missing out on what mongering can potentially be if they do not travel abroad.

Probably been said multiple times before, but Toronto doesn't offer much else outside of variety of ethnicities. Pricing/service aren't on the same level as other major international cities, unless your comparing to the USA.

From what I've heard, if you go to places like Thailand, the Philipines and other parts of SEA, bring plenty of condoms, go on PREP and as an added precaution, get a vasectomy a few months ahead so you'll be healed in time for your trip.

Apparently, sex ed and contraceptive use is non-existent whether it's SWs or women you'll meet through hook-up apps.

Then again, I've also heard you shouldn't believe everything you see in sex tourism videos and read in blogs or on Reddit and whether they're escorts or women you meet through Tinder, or the local equivalent, they'll make you wrap it up.

Montreal, hands-down. Vancouver is about the same and Alberta cities are like Toronto prices but with worse quality/selection (goddamn oil money lol). Everywhere else in Canada suffers from an dearth of providers.

SexB said:

From what I've heard, if you go to places like Thailand, the Philipines and other parts of SEA, bring plenty of condoms, go on PREP and as an added precaution, get a vasectomy a few months ahead so you'll be healed in time for your trip.

Apparently, sex ed and contraceptive use is non-existent whether it's SWs or women you'll meet through hook-up apps.

Then again, I've also heard you shouldn't believe everything you see in sex tourism videos and read in blogs or on Reddit and whether they're escorts or women you meet through Tinder, or the local equivalent, they'll make you wrap it up.

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Not true. I’ve been to Thailand on three mongering tours and Philippines twice. Most venues require their girls to use condoms since they need their girls to be healthy for work. They even get regular check ups. However, lower level freelancers might be swayed to go without protection if offered more money. I would also say Thailand is more protection oriented than Philippines

ExoticSpirit said:

Not true. I’ve been to Thailand on three mongering tours and Philippines twice. Most venues require their girls to use condoms since they need their girls to be healthy for work. They even get regular check ups. However, lower level freelancers might be swayed to go without protection if offered more money. I would also say Thailand is more protection oriented than Philippines

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Agree. Been to Bangkok, the Philippines, Pattaya and FKK in Frankfurt. Some good experiences, but decided not worth the extra travel costs and language/accent problems for my more sensual interest vs just boring sex. Decades ago, Vancouver Number 5 was interesting.

My favorite place for many years was Victoria, BC. They have a bunch of women's colleges, many escorts, and FBSM gals at a far lower cost than Vancouver. Lots of good incall agencies. I remember when the nice Sheriff warned all the agencies in Saanch to move to Victoria, since Saanch was going to crack down on bawdy houses and incalls when they were illegal. But they were welcome in Victoria with one agency I enjoyed on the main street downtown. The police would visit, but only to ensure everyone of legal age and paid the annual licensing fee. Dave was so exciting one gal fell asleep on top of me... ah.... how gently wake... nudge...

The ferry across the bay was a beautiful trip, but once, when I flew, I was detained for about an hour for secondary screening. Found Perb on my computer, and I gave them a lesson in the Canadian Criminal Code, saying I was just doing outcall, which was legal. The old guy looked up the law and agreed I was right. The younger guy was so interested in a board where prostitutes talk to guys. What do they talk about? I bet he was on Perb that night after work. Then I got Nexus and never had an issue. BTW, I was detained because they thought I had a connection to Florida - they apparently had me confused with someone with a similar name, but then found escort stuff on my laptop,

However, now Victoria has higher rates, and the old agencies are long gone, and I have been more interested in strip clubs, which don't really exist in BC due to restrictive ABC regulations vs Ontario or Quebec. Then found Montreal, but then Toronto, where I have been going for more than 20 years. I think in Vancouver, Number 5 avoids it since anything sexual is done up the stairs in the adjacent connected hotel room.

I’ve never experienced Asia, but have played in many provinces in Canada, and also in the UK, and a few places in Europe. Overall TO has the best balance of availability, variety, quality of service and price. MTL used to be as good or better, at a lower rate, but the differences are less so as time goes on. We are pretty lucky to be able to play in Toronto.