What does any of this have to do with the trial?
Own what? He scored 18 goals and possibly could have scored more until he fucked his career and ran off to Switzerland...big deal
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Own what? He scored 18 goals and possibly could have scored more until he fucked his career and ran off to Switzerland...big deal
I just want to clarify and make sure you understand what I'm asking.
So let's try it again..
So you're telling me every single time you kissed someone you asked for their consent beforehand?
I understand, you're asking an unfair stupid question.
Already asked already answered...twice
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With the right agent, EM could make bank after the trial - OnlyFans, Drake videos, perhaps a hip hop recording contract; she wouldn't even need to be able to sing, like most of them. She could be the new Bhad Bhabie:
This was interesting, didn't hear it before...
Crown contends ‘something bad’ happened to E.M.
Kate Dubinski
At the end of the night, after leaving Delta hotel Room 209, E.M. is seen on the hotel surveillance video wiping away tears as she waits for her Uber to arrive.
It’s not contested that she was upset and crying when leaving the hotel, and she became upset several times inside the room. The defence theory is she was crying inside the room because the men wouldn’t take her up on her offer of sex and she was crying afterwards because they wanted her to leave to go to sleep.
“These are well-worn tropes — that women are such emotional and fickle creatures that their emotional upset can be attributed to having agreed to something and then almost immediately regretting it… That the source of a woman’s upset is that men who are virtual strangers to her don’t find her hot enough,” Cunningham says.
E.M. had “something bad” happen to her in that room, and that’s why she is crying, Cunningham says.
Crown contends ‘something bad’ happened to E.M.
Kate Dubinski
At the end of the night, after leaving Delta hotel Room 209, E.M. is seen on the hotel surveillance video wiping away tears as she waits for her Uber to arrive.
It’s not contested that she was upset and crying when leaving the hotel, and she became upset several times inside the room. The defence theory is she was crying inside the room because the men wouldn’t take her up on her offer of sex and she was crying afterwards because they wanted her to leave to go to sleep.
“These are well-worn tropes — that women are such emotional and fickle creatures that their emotional upset can be attributed to having agreed to something and then almost immediately regretting it… That the source of a woman’s upset is that men who are virtual strangers to her don’t find her hot enough,” Cunningham says.
E.M. had “something bad” happen to her in that room, and that’s why she is crying, Cunningham says.
More of your infinite wisdom about women and how things went down even though you weren't there. Who needs a court system when you have the answers to everything.
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That's what happens when you talk out of your ass, it finally catches up to you and the only thing left is to call people stupid and call their comments stupid.
That's the crown's contention, naturally.
The defense has a different contention, which sounds much more plausible.
Players keep getting caught lying...
51 minutes agoKate Dubinski
Cunningham says it’s also important to remember Dubé said he got a text from Jake Bean telling him there was food in the room, and that’s why he went there. He also told investigators he didn’t check his phone, so didn’t see the text from McLeod inviting the team for a threesome.
The Crown says there was no text from Bean.
Cunningham puts up a photo of Dubé entering the hotel lobby, with his shirt off, on his phone at 3:13 a.m.
“It’s reasonable to infer that he said that to explain why he’s shocked to find a naked woman in (Room) 209,” she says. “It doesn’t add up. It’s all designed to give him plausible deniability that he saw that text from Mr. McLeod. It’s reasonable to infer that he was going to 209 because he knew that sex was on offer.”
Dubé is smiling at the defence table while the shirtless picture from the hotel lobby is up on the screen. He then pinches the top of his nose and puts
51 minutes agoKate Dubinski
Cunningham says it’s also important to remember Dubé said he got a text from Jake Bean telling him there was food in the room, and that’s why he went there. He also told investigators he didn’t check his phone, so didn’t see the text from McLeod inviting the team for a threesome.
The Crown says there was no text from Bean.
Cunningham puts up a photo of Dubé entering the hotel lobby, with his shirt off, on his phone at 3:13 a.m.
“It’s reasonable to infer that he said that to explain why he’s shocked to find a naked woman in (Room) 209,” she says. “It doesn’t add up. It’s all designed to give him plausible deniability that he saw that text from Mr. McLeod. It’s reasonable to infer that he was going to 209 because he knew that sex was on offer.”
Dubé is smiling at the defence table while the shirtless picture from the hotel lobby is up on the screen. He then pinches the top of his nose and puts
This isn't good for the players...
10 minutes agoKate Dubinski
The men say they were uncomfortable with E.M.’s alleged sexual aggression and most of them didn’t want to do anything sexual with E.M. because they had girlfriends, Cunningham reminds the judge. But they didn’t allow her to leave the hotel room, she adds.
“If no one wants to do stuff with her, why not just let her leave” when she puts her clothes on, Cunningham argues.
Instead of doing nothing and letting her leave, they convince her to stay (according to testimony from E.M., and statements by Hart, Howden and McLeod), the Crown adds.
“The totality of the evidence paints a really clear picture that she is upset, she’s trying to leave, and they are taking steps to keep her in the room.”
“The only reasonable inference is that they are doing that because they want her to stay. They are the ones who want the sexual activity in the room to continue. There’s no other reasonable inference.”
Howden said to police in 2018 that he heard E.M. “weeping,” Cunningham reminds the judge.
10 minutes agoKate Dubinski
The men say they were uncomfortable with E.M.’s alleged sexual aggression and most of them didn’t want to do anything sexual with E.M. because they had girlfriends, Cunningham reminds the judge. But they didn’t allow her to leave the hotel room, she adds.
“If no one wants to do stuff with her, why not just let her leave” when she puts her clothes on, Cunningham argues.
Instead of doing nothing and letting her leave, they convince her to stay (according to testimony from E.M., and statements by Hart, Howden and McLeod), the Crown adds.
“The totality of the evidence paints a really clear picture that she is upset, she’s trying to leave, and they are taking steps to keep her in the room.”
“The only reasonable inference is that they are doing that because they want her to stay. They are the ones who want the sexual activity in the room to continue. There’s no other reasonable inference.”
Howden said to police in 2018 that he heard E.M. “weeping,” Cunningham reminds the judge.
Some of you should read this...i put another one up six times but this is from the trial....I bolded the part that I tried telling some of you numerous times.
What is consent?
Kate Dubinski
The Crown is now explaining the legal concept of consent.
Cunningham says:
What is consent?
Kate Dubinski
The Crown is now explaining the legal concept of consent.
Cunningham says:
- Consent is an affirmative concept. It’s not “yes means yes until someone says no.” It’s, “No, until someone decides yes.”
- If someone in their own mind isn’t making a choice, there is no consent.
- Consent is a voluntary choice in a particular act with a particular person.
- “You heard from six men who were in the room. They all said she was consenting. No one but E.M. can say if she was consenting. It is only what is in her own mind that matters.”
- Consent is not a “one and done box check at the beginning of an encounter.”
- Consent can’t be given in advance. Has to be contemporaneous (at the same time) with the touching.
- It’s a voluntary agreement of the complainant to engage in a particular sexual activity.
- There is no such thing in law as consenting to sexual activity. You can only consent to specific acts.
- “E.M. might have said, ‘Someone do something to me.’ That is not a valid consent in law to anything. It doesn’t involve a particular act with a particular person.”
The crown clearly knows by now that they will not be successful in incarcerating any of these guys.
There are clear cases of sexual assault but this case is unequivocally not one of them
The crown should prepare to defend itself from potentially legal action by the defendants in the very near future.
More that some of you should read from the trial...
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The issue of ‘valid consent’
Kate Dubinski
WARNING: This post contains graphic details.
Even if E.M. made comments to the effect of, “‘Someone come f–ck me,’” that doesn’t mean she provided “valid consent” for the specific acts that the men are charged with.
E.M. masturbating on the bed sheet doesn’t communicate consent, Cunningham says.
“Masturbating, like flirting, communicates nothing,” she says.
E.M. testified the men put a bed sheet on the floor of the hotel room and asked her to get on it and put on a masturbation show for them, which she did, as a way to give them what they wanted.
“You cannot infer that because someone is masturbating, they want to perform oral sex or they're willing to have a penis in their vagina,” Cunningham says. “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act. You just can't. The law does not permit it.”
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The issue of ‘valid consent’
Kate Dubinski
WARNING: This post contains graphic details.
Even if E.M. made comments to the effect of, “‘Someone come f–ck me,’” that doesn’t mean she provided “valid consent” for the specific acts that the men are charged with.
E.M. masturbating on the bed sheet doesn’t communicate consent, Cunningham says.
“Masturbating, like flirting, communicates nothing,” she says.
E.M. testified the men put a bed sheet on the floor of the hotel room and asked her to get on it and put on a masturbation show for them, which she did, as a way to give them what they wanted.
“You cannot infer that because someone is masturbating, they want to perform oral sex or they're willing to have a penis in their vagina,” Cunningham says. “You cannot treat that as a communication of consent to any other sexual act. You just can't. The law does not permit it.”
They were all lying and faking memory loss for sure, basically following the same script of "going to McLeod's room for food, cannot remember any details".
If it was your ass on the line, you would have done the same. There's absolutely no need for self-incrimination. The fact that Detective Newton asking players to volunteer information and assuring they won't be charged, not telling them they're suspects in a sexual assault investigation is absolutely disgusting. Only Carter Hart did the smart thing, lawyered up and refused to talk to the cop at all.
However, lying is not on trial here, the key is consent, and it's possible the players honestly thought they had consent when they saw a naked girl in the room. Whether McLeod invited other players to the room, or EM asked McLeod to invite another guy for the threesome and the situation got out of control, and she took more cock than she originally wanted, it's difficult to prove. Classic he said she said.
If lying is your strategy than you’re probably guilty.
There’s no evidence that she asked for more guys to come in the room.
She will win that he said she said thing they’re catching too many he said guys lying.
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In the “ field sobriety test of life” EM gave consent to various sex acts to (defendants) sexual partners over and over with no objections introduced thus far, at least from the stand point of “ no consent “. That she felt humiliated after the deed, and perhaps even during the consensual sex , is her problem and her demons.
That these young men who fornicated with lady would, could have or should known that she was not consenting is an impossible oxymoron.
This trial is a crass and gross waste of taste payers money and court time.
Doubtful. Although the only ones that were having decent success in the NHL were Dube and Hart. McLeod was a 4th liner with NJ and Foote was in the AHL at the time of the charges. Formenton was playing in Europe.
Slow down...Formenton went to Switzerland because of the political pressure being applied to him in Ottawa...Eugene Melnyk's daughters owned the club at the time.
