Bad China/Good US, Canada needs to stop following US and starts to diversify its trade

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You need to learn how to use the google or do any DD for that matter.

Leave it to law enforcement to decide what that number should be.
But don't misinterpret it to mean that a high proportion of the other 99% contain drugs or that all these drugs come in via containers.
 

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So 50,000 canadians dead from fentanyl overdoses are not a concner for you. Thats more people than canada lost in WW2
50,000 opioid related deaths in 8 years.
75% of them from Fentanyl.
That is about 4600 deaths per year from Fentanyl.
In comparison cancer kills 85000 per year.
So yeah, not as much of a cause for concern.
 

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I'm sure there are possibilities there. But I think short term the European market is the largest one we want to work on. Huge population, many types of markets, can pay high prices, closer than Australia, need energy(LNG) and raw materials. Unique food trade opportunities. And via Turkey could open other markets as well. Of course Britain is a natural one as well.

We do need to sort out the USA. And I believe we will.
Your track record on trade is pretty poor, nobody should listen to you. Over the course of a month you went from Trump is not going to tariff Canada to Congress will stop Trump tariffs when trump did put up tariffs, when it was obvious that congress is not doing sh*t then you said that you saw this coming from a mile away and what is important is that your took steps to make sure your investments are protected.
 
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50,000 opioid related deaths in 8 years.
75% of them from Fentanyl.
That is about 4600 deaths per year from Fentanyl.
In comparison cancer kills 85000 per year.
So yeah, not as much of a cause for concern.
Fentanyl recursors are used to manufacture a whole bunch of illicit drugs.
So your solution is to ignore the problem, even though it has been stated as public health concern. But shit only 4600 canadians per year who cares. FYI, it was about 5600 last year from jan to sept
 
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Leave it to law enforcement to decide what that number should be.
But don't misinterpret it to mean that a high proportion of the other 99% contain drugs or that all these drugs come in via containers.
This is a dumb post. The fact is we hsve been underfunded in protecting our borders for years. We cant police it.
 
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Leave it to law enforcement to decide what that number should be.
But don't misinterpret it to mean that a high proportion of the other 99% contain drugs or that all these drugs come in via containers.
The fact we dont have RICO laws make canada an attractive place for CCP led triad gangs to setup shop.

And this is the government you want to increase trade relations with?
 
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Fentanyl recursors are used to manufacture a whole bunch of illicit drugs.
So your solution is to ignore the problem, even though it has been stated as public health concern. But shit only 4600 canadians per year who cares. FYI, it was about 5600 last year from jan to sept
The problem is not being ignored.
It is because it is being handled that we are tracking these numbers, and the numbers are low.
This is a dumb post. The fact is we hsve been underfunded in protecting our borders for years. We cant police it.
Our military is underfunded, under equipped and understaffed.
Our border security is great which is why we have such low crime especially with drugs etc.,
A large part of our borders also does not need to be policed.
We are not in the same situation the US is in.
The fact we dont have RICO laws make canada an attractive place for CCP led triad gangs to setup shop.
And this is the government you want to increase trade relations with?
The Chinese government is not exporting gang activity.
They are a mature trading nation and every country in the world trades with them. Including us.
So yes, they are a huge market and an economic superpower and we should definitely increase trade with them.
The one down south is threatening our sovereignty which is the real danger.
We should reduce trade with them.
 

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Your track record on trade is pretty poor, nobody should listen to you. Over the course of a month you went from Trump is not going to tariff Canada to Congress will stop Trump tariffs when trump did put up tariffs, when it was obvious that congress is not doing sh*t then you said that you saw this coming from a mile away and what is important is that your took steps to make sure your investments are protected.
Short and longer run.

I agree Trump went much further than I expected. But my calculus did not include just how weak Trudeau was and how his resignation would affect Trump's decision making. He saw an opening and tried to exploit it. And is failing due to Canada pulling together. Cripes, If I could predict this shit I would be the finance minister.

I still think Congress is going to have an effect on this in the backrooms. Nothing is decided yet, and a few months of tit for tat is not going to drastically hurt us. You saw how quickly meeting started to happen after our energy surcharge threat, and now Trump is "cordial" with Carney. I think behind the scenes more serious threats were made and now it's about getting it out of the news so Trump can save face while getting little, just like last time.
And it was over several months btw.

My self protection was not from this but from what I see is an inevitable recession. It started years ago including a faster mortgage pay off, debt reduction, renovation for structural purposes and update of core house needs, a better portfolio, and reduction in bad spending.

Nothing fancy, just common sense stuff.
 

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Are you serious? There is a serious fentanyl crisis in canada. Biden and blinken tried to get trudeau to address it, it was ignored. We are an export nation of fentanyl all over the world. Less than 1% of shipping that comes into delta ports are checked.

But but but...only 43 KGs.🤦‍♂️
Dude that is a deflection. Notice the Fentanyl crisis is mainly in the USA and Canada. Ever wonder why? The whole epidemic of Opiate addiction can be traced to Purdue Pharma that got Oxycontin certified as "non-addictive" by the FDA. Canada went along and so Docs started handing this stuff out like candy. Once your prescriptions and your benefits run out, you are left as a junkie. Guess what happens next? Those creeps have now renamed it to Oxycodene. Yes they are BILLIONAIRES.
 
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Our military is underfunded, under equipped and understaffed.
Our border security is great which is why we have such low crime especially with drugs etc.,
A large part of our borders also does not need to be policed.
We are not in the same situation the US is in.
1% of containers being checked begs to differ.

The Chinese government is not exporting gang activity.
They are a mature trading nation and every country in the world trades with them. Including us.
So yes, they are a huge market and an economic superpower and we should definitely increase trade with them.
The one down south is threatening our sovereignty which is the real danger.
We should reduce trade with them.
Please read Sam Gor or Paul King Jin.

It is impossible to debate with people who just believe the propaganda that the CCP spews and have absolutely no idea how the CCP operates because it is a closed off society. Every deal they make they have broken. We gonna be net zero, but increases coal plant production at a rate faster than any industrialized power in the West combined. We are just making islands in the South China Sea, we will not militarize them; starts putting up airstrips and missile silos onto those islands. We abide by international rules and territories, but salami slices the South China Sea to cut out Japan, Phillipines and Vietnam. Why do you think so many companies and outflows of foreign investment is leaving China. They are realizing that the CCP is not a partner that deals in good faith.
 
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lol China is not even the communist state.
there is nothing LOL about your grossly inaccurate statement
The Chinese Communist Party, officially the Communist Party of China, is the founding and sole ruling party of the People's Republic of China.

They are decade ahead in infrastructure, e-commerce, and technologies vs Canada. Canada is actually more close to being a communist state than China
wrong again, despite your desires
 
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there is nothing LOL about your grossly inaccurate statement
The Chinese Communist Party, officially the Communist Party of China, is the founding and sole ruling party of the People's Republic of China.



wrong again, despite your desires
lol 😂 I guess you really don’t understand what communism is. I don’t blame you, You probably never been to China. If China is so behind why are the western countries so afraid of China? China will become a superpower and Canada will have to trade with China, whether you like it or not. In fact, China will be buying Canadian oil and natural resources, which Trump said he doesn’t need them:

 
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Tell that to the 600M still living in poverty
The idea that 600 million Chinese people are still living in poverty is misleading. Many of these individuals reside in rural areas, not because they are destitute, but because they choose to maintain the way of life they grew up with. Unlike in the past, they now benefit from the trickle-down effects of China's rapid modernization, a country that has transformed in a very short time from a third-world nation into one with cities as advanced as those in the U.S. or Europe. Not every American enjoys a high standard of living either. Just outside Washington, D.C., there are rural communities with hillbilly lifestyles reminiscent of the movie Deliverance, and large parts of cities like Chicago and Detroit are mired in poverty and urban decay. As for China's global stance, it has little interest in war; it would not risk the prosperity it has worked so hard to attain. Meanwhile, the West, under leaders like Trump, has exposed its declining dominance, pushing other nations to seek alternatives. A prime example is ASML, the Dutch semiconductor company once restricted from selling advanced chip technology to China, which is now engaging in talks to collaborate on manufacturing in China. This shift underscores the changing global order, where America’s grip on economic leadership is loosening.

China of the mid-20th century has already subdued the world of the 21st century without battle, using economic power, strategic influence, and patience rather than reckless aggression. It will continue to grow in importance over the coming decades, not through war, but through diplomacy and economic expansion. A nation’s standing and influence can be lost in an instant, as seen with the reckless actions of recent leaders like Trump, whose short-sighted decisions weakened U.S. global influence. As did Putin in Russia. Unlike selfish, power-hungry dictators, China’s leadership has historically played the long game, understanding that real strength comes from stability, not unnecessary conflict. In war, China would stand alone against a united world, facing economic ruin, military overextension, and domestic unrest. A prolonged conflict would drain its resources, disrupt global trade, and ultimately damage its own rise. The true path to dominance lies not in destruction but in patience, diplomacy, and economic strength. By resisting the temptation of war and focusing on strategic influence, China can secure its place as a global superpower without suffering the devastating consequences of direct confrontation.
 
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According to AI only 56M living below the poverty level. What China has achieved is the largest humanitarian success in human history.
 

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lol 😂 I guess you really don’t understand what communism is.
wrong
i do understand what communism is
and it is evil

just count the number of dead bodies in the 20th century
perhaps, 50, 100 or even 200 million people enslaved, starved to death , worked to death or outright murdered by their own communist political leaders


I don’t blame you, You probably never been to China. If China is so behind why are the western countries so afraid of China?
because China is communist, and that is evil
very weary, not afraid


China will become a superpower and Canada will have to trade with China, whether you like it or not. In fact, China will be buying Canadian oil and natural resources, which Trump said he doesn’t need them:
we can sell to China....... on our terms
the Americans do need our resources, despite Trumps rhetoric

you should be very concerned about CCP influence in Canada
 

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lol 😂 I guess you really don’t understand what communism is. I don’t blame you, You probably never been to China. If China is so behind why are the western countries so afraid of China? China will become a superpower and Canada will have to trade with China, whether you like it or not. In fact, China will be buying Canadian oil and natural resources, which Trump said he doesn’t need them:

China IS a superpower. Anyone that does not think so is delusional. Last year China built more ships (measured in Tons) then the USA has built since WWII. 🤯🤯🤯
 

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The idea that 600 million Chinese people are still living in poverty is misleading. Many of these individuals reside in rural areas, not because they are destitute, but because they choose to maintain the way of life they grew up with. Unlike in the past, they now benefit from the trickle-down effects of China's rapid modernization, a country that has transformed in a very short time from a third-world nation into one with cities as advanced as those in the U.S. or Europe. Not every American enjoys a high standard of living either. Just outside Washington, D.C., there are rural communities with hillbilly lifestyles reminiscent of the movie Deliverance, and large parts of cities like Chicago and Detroit are mired in poverty and urban decay. As for China's global stance, it has little interest in war; it would not risk the prosperity it has worked so hard to attain. Meanwhile, the West, under leaders like Trump, has exposed its declining dominance, pushing other nations to seek alternatives. A prime example is ASML, the Dutch semiconductor company once restricted from selling advanced chip technology to China, which is now engaging in talks to collaborate on manufacturing in China. This shift underscores the changing global order, where America’s grip on economic leadership is loosening.
I'm sure those 600M would appreciate the trickle down effects of clean running water (80-90 is undrinkable) or a agricultural pensioner who has to live on $15-20/USD a month or a migrant worker who are deprived their rights because of the hukou system.

With regards to China not having interest in war. Tell that to 24M residents on Taiwan who have Chinese warships and planes traversing through the Taiwan strait regularly crossing the median line. Nothing says China isn't interested in war like constantly holding joint operations on naval blockades and firing missile barrages over the island. China has constant run ins with Philippine ships near the Scarborough Shoal just off the Philippines coastline, firing water cannons at resupply boats. Within China, we are taught to hate the Japanese with every part of our soul. We are taught to refer to them as "xiao riben guizi" or japanese ghost devil. China hasn't started a war yet because it may not be within their calculus that it would succeed and that would be regime threatening. It has nothing to do with risking their "moderate prosperity" and has all to do with keeping the regime in power

As for ASML, they are only opening factories to repair and reuse old tech. They are not importing the latest technology to China.
 
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