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Frankfooter

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Easy peasy to counter.
Just claim that those crime rates are focused in cities that are run by Democrats.
Or, just as easily, use absolute numbers (since the rural areas have less population) and keep the old narrative.
Or just keep repeating stuff about California, even though it isn't one of the top 10 states, because we all know California is bad.
Or just go to Fox and copy and paste some Tucker headline.
The article is smart and counters those claims.

Also interesting is this report showing that the BLM protests succeeded.

But back to the first article:
Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem. They blame it on Democrat’s “soft-on-crime” approach and have even referred to a New York District Attorney’s approach as “hug-a-thug.” Many news stories outside of Fox have also purported that police reform is responsible for this rise in murder and have pointed to cities like New York and Los Angeles.

There is a measure of truth to these stories. The US saw an alarming 30% increase in murder in 2020. While 2021 data is not yet complete, murder was on the rise again this past year. Some “blue” cities, like Chicago, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, have seen real and persistent increases in homicides. These cities—along with others like Los Angeles, New York, and Minneapolis—are also in places with wall-to-wall media coverage and national media interest.

But there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.

We collected 2019 and 2020 murder data from all 50 states. (Comprehensive 2021 data is not yet available.) We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources. To allow for comparison, we calculated the state’s per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 split.

We found that murder rates are, on average, 40% higher in the 25 states Donald Trump won in the last presidential election compared to those that voted for Joe Biden. In addition, murder rates in many of these red states dwarf those in blue states like New York, California, and Massachusetts. And finally, many of the states with the worst murder rates—like Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas—are ones that few would describe as urban. Only 2 of America’s top 100 cities in population are located in these high murder rate states. And not a single one of the top 10 murder states registers in the top 15 for population density.
 

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That's a pretty interesting study, although I don't know how strong the correlation is.
Still, pretty neat to see.

As for the "actually, murder rates are rising across the board and it isn't just cities with Democratic mayors or "progressive" DAs", well yes - that's been known for a while, using different types of data.
Won't stop the narrative.

Look at the California elections.
The New York Times declared how that DA losing in SF and the numbers in the mayor race was sending a message about the Dems being "soft on crime".
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But, of course, the real story is different, with various progressive DAs and reform candidates winning in multiple races.
(Look at Alameda county, which has a higher homicide rate than SF.)

Do you think the NYTimes is going to stop writing stories saying people are rejecting Democrats and their "soft on crime" ways just because the evidence doesn't necessarily back it up?
Of course not.
They will just keep repeating it until everyone "knows it must be kinda true".
 

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That's a pretty interesting study, although I don't know how strong the correlation is.
Still, pretty neat to see.

As for the "actually, murder rates are rising across the board and it isn't just cities with Democratic mayors or "progressive" DAs", well yes - that's been known for a while, using different types of data.
Won't stop the narrative.

Look at the California elections.
The New York Times declared how that DA losing in SF and the numbers in the mayor race was sending a message about the Dems being "soft on crime".
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But, of course, the real story is different, with various progressive DAs and reform candidates winning in multiple races.
(Look at Alameda county, which has a higher homicide rate than SF.)

Do you think the NYTimes is going to stop writing stories saying people are rejecting Democrats and their "soft on crime" ways just because the evidence doesn't necessarily back it up?
Of course not.
They will just keep repeating it until everyone "knows it must be kinda true".
It does show how far right the media in the US tilts, though.
Both of those stories should be out there in the MSM but neither are really pushed there.
The US really could use something like CBC, PBS just can't afford to do news in the same way.

A 17% reduction in police killings as a result of BLM protests, as well as more community involvement and body cameras really does mean that BLM protests are important for change.
 

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Notice how the frauds don't tell you that the high crime is in Democrat run cities with their woke policies like 'Defund the Police' and 'reform the system', so that violent and repeat criminals are let loose.

They don't tell you.....but they know.
Lmao you’re definitely more of a feelings rather than facts type. Facts don’t care about your feelings snowflake
 

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Lmao you’re definitely more of a feelings rather than facts type. Facts don’t care about your feelings snowflake
A few facts for those intentionally trying to mislead you and whose strongest argument is to call someone a snowflake.

Is President Trump Correct In Saying Democrat Mayors Run The Most Violent Cities?


MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) -- President Donald Trump this week repeated his false claim that he called out the Minnesota National Guard to crush violent riots in Minneapolis.

The president also on Aug. 3 put Minneapolis on a list of the most violent cities in America. The country's biggest cities saw violent unrest this summer, including Minneapolis. Since June 23, the president has repeatedly linked violence to cities run by Democrats.

"You hear about certain places like Chicago and you hear about what's going on in Detroit and other, other cities, all Democrat run," Trump said. "Every one of them is Democrat-run. Twenty out of 20. The 20 worst, the 20 most dangerous are Democrat-run."

The president is technically accurate about the mayors in big cities with violent crime: 17 of the 20 are Democrats; two are independent; one is Republican.

But there's no evidence that a specific political party is related to crime.

The president is raising three separate issues here: Big-city crime; political leadership; civil unrest. Let's unpack it.

By a 31-point margin, Democratic voters tend to live in larger urban areas, according to Pew Research, including young people and voters of color.

Republicans by a 16-point margin tend to settle in smaller, more white, more rural communities.

But violent crime is actually going down in American cities, according to the FBI's semi-annual uniform crime report, and Minneapolis is not among the top 20 cities.

While the recent national crime spike leveled off, shootings in Minneapolis are up about 250% compared to last summer. Year-to-year, killings are also up in both Minneapolis and St. Paul.

There are new studies that do show a surge in national violence in the last week of May and the first week of June, when protests erupted after George Floyd died in Minneapolis.
  • Homicides are up 37%
  • Aggravated assaults are up 35%
  • Commercial burglaries are up 200%
But after that week, crime abruptly dropped across the country.

As the president made comments linking big city crime to Democrats, the Trump campaign was running television ads against Democrat Joe Biden, showing urban violence and warning, "You won't be safe in Joe Biden's America."
 
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A few facts for those intentionally trying to mislead you and whose strongest argument is to call someone a snowflake.

Is President Trump Correct In Saying Democrat Mayors Run The Most Violent Cities?


MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) -- President Donald Trump this week repeated his false claim that he called out the Minnesota National Guard to crush violent riots in Minneapolis.

The president also on Aug. 3 put Minneapolis on a list of the most violent cities in America. The country's biggest cities saw violent unrest this summer, including Minneapolis. Since June 23, the president has repeatedly linked violence to cities run by Democrats.

"You hear about certain places like Chicago and you hear about what's going on in Detroit and other, other cities, all Democrat run," Trump said. "Every one of them is Democrat-run. Twenty out of 20. The 20 worst, the 20 most dangerous are Democrat-run."

The president is technically accurate about the mayors in big cities with violent crime: 17 of the 20 are Democrats; two are independent; one is Republican.

But there's no evidence that a specific political party is related to crime.

The president is raising three separate issues here: Big-city crime; political leadership; civil unrest. Let's unpack it.

By a 31-point margin, Democratic voters tend to live in larger urban areas, according to Pew Research, including young people and voters of color.

Republicans by a 16-point margin tend to settle in smaller, more white, more rural communities.

But violent crime is actually going down in American cities, according to the FBI's semi-annual uniform crime report, and Minneapolis is not among the top 20 cities.

While the recent national crime spike leveled off, shootings in Minneapolis are up about 250% compared to last summer. Year-to-year, killings are also up in both Minneapolis and St. Paul.

There are new studies that do show a surge in national violence in the last week of May and the first week of June, when protests erupted after George Floyd died in Minneapolis.
  • Homicides are up 37%
  • Aggravated assaults are up 35%
  • Commercial burglaries are up 200%
But after that week, crime abruptly dropped across the country.

As the president made comments linking big city crime to Democrats, the Trump campaign was running television ads against Democrat Joe Biden, showing urban violence and warning, "You won't be safe in Joe Biden's America."
TL;DR
 

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See how the frauds work folks. They post how certain states with republican governors have higher crime rates. But when you point out that virtually every city of the top 15 most violent are run by democrats(who control and defund the local police), they respond with 'Cherry Picking".

And that is the fraud. Their double standards and intentionally misleading posts.
 

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Those are the facts.
Anyone who wants to cherry pick to talk about a handful of cities is intentionally acting fraudulently by ignoring the big picture.
That is how the frauds work folks. Use their basic style of argument which was important to back up their opinion and it suddenly becomes useless to back up yours.

But there is a difference in what we are saying. So I will say it again(after mentioning that Frankfrauder is cherry picking).....12 of the 15 most violent cities in the US are run by Democrats. One by a Republican. Think about that.

And which police forces are mostly in the cities by the way. The local cops, not the state ones.

Vote out the party of hate and division. Even long term democrat voters are:

Elon Musk on Twitter: "In the past I voted Democrat, because they were (mostly) the kindness party. But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican. Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold … 🍿" / Twitter
 

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How many of those cities are in states run by republicans?
Can you answer that?
Why won't you?
How many of those states run by republicans have the high crime cities run by democrats.
Can you answer that?
Why won't you?
 

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How many of those states run by republicans have the high crime cities run by democrats.
Can you answer that?
Why won't you?
Of course you can't answer.
That would involve actual research and trying to understand a problem instead of just trolling.

Point made.
Your claims have been debunked and you can't rebut them.
 

Czar

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Of course you can't answer.
That would involve actual research and trying to understand a problem instead of just trolling.

Point made.
Your claims have been debunked and you can't rebut them.
Tell us in exact detail what claim was debunked. And use in quotes my claim.

Guess what folks, he can't. because he is a fraud.
 
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Tell us in exact detail what claim was debunked. And use in quotes my claim.

Guess what folks, he can't. because he is a fraud.
You claimed that the most violent cities are run by dems, I showed they are in republican run states that have similar murder rates outside those cities.
Of course your own post said that violent crime is going down in dem run cities, but you ignore that.
Just like you also ignored the fact that you quoted an article that said rump was lying.

President Donald Trump this week repeated his false claim that he called out the Minnesota National Guard to crush violent riots in Minneapolis.
Just like that same article said your entire argument is bullshit.
But there's no evidence that a specific political party is related to crime.
So lets note that not only did I debunk your claims, you also debunked your own claims.
 

Czar

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You claimed that the most violent cities are run by dems, I showed they are in republican run states that have similar murder rates outside those cities.
That doesn't change that 12 of the 15 most violent cities in America have a democrat as mayor.

My claim is correct and you are a fraud trying to say my claim is incorrect.

See folks, I told you he is a fraud.

All that being said, I do believe once again, that these statistics would be overall similar(ie their place in the violence rankings, regardless of the party in power. Some just make it better and some worse. Stupid defund the police ideas by stupid people like Frankfurter is a good example.
 
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You call me a fraud but the article that you posted that number also said this:
Are you saying the article is lying, or are you lying?

But there's no evidence that a specific political party is related to crime.
I guess you are too stupid to figure things out. You posted something showing high crime stated run by republicans. The insinuation was obvious. That is: Republican leadership at the state level equals high crime. So I decided to out you as a fraud by pointing out that the places where the vast majority of high crime is located are the cities(as we all know) which just so happen to almost all have Democrat leadership.

That alone was to expose you as a fraud.

Then I basically pointed out twice that a change of party in power would not change the overall tendency for violent crime. That is likely demographic related. But the party in power does have an overall effect on the crime levels depending on policy. Policing is a significant factor in reducing crime. So is the justice system. We have seen a multitude of local leaders abdicate their responsibility to place the rights of innocent citizens ahead of the rights of criminals. That is mostly due to leaders on the left. people like you who are responsible for the large increase in deaths due to your foolish policies.

Most of those innocents who died really don't care about your debating semantics of who is supposedly lying.

Frankfooter thinking for policies equals more dead innocents.
 
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