Shaquille Oatmeal, I am interested to hear what you think about the subject, it seems like you feel that concerns over immigration amounts to people scapegoating. But that is just my perception based on a meme.
Mark Carney cranks up immigration again, while pretending not to.
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Shaquille Oatmeal, I am interested to hear what you think about the subject, it seems like you feel that concerns over immigration amounts to people scapegoating. But that is just my perception based on a meme.
Yes, the concerns expressed here on TERB, Twitter and other social media, regarding immigration, usually amount to MAGA culture war BS.
I have stated my belief in this thread.
We need positive population growth and only immigration will drive that.
The rate of immigration however, is debatable but there is no magic number that will resolve issues and there are pros and cons either way.
However the type of immigration should focus on permanent residencies and not temporary residents.
I doubt the majority of people who question our government's
immigration policy belong to the MAGA crowd.
immigration policy belong to the MAGA crowd.
Those speaking loudly against, whining about or questioning our
immigration policies represent equally legitimate voices in a democratic
society. Our leaders would better listen to and address their concerns.
Yeah I noticed after I quoted your post that this thread went on a long time. I figured that your initial take was due to frustration from confrontational opinions on the other side of the topic.
It's a very complex issue that North America and Europe are both facing at the same time. I don't claim to understand it entirely, but it seems that often the wars and suppression of Africa, India and the "middle east" over the last 50 years have created a migration to more stable contries with ecnomic opportuntiies. It's unfortunate that people are forced to leave their home to find opportuntiies elsewhere.
My concern is the actions that have held these people down and the very sloppy approach to integrateing those who chose to leave for other countries. In general, I think political powers in Canada, American, the EU and the UK could be a lot more considerate of the those coming to their country and those already here.
Unfortunately, the way they handle immigration often serves at the leasure of people far more powerful than the "commoners"
Just my 2 cents.
They are Nazis proposing mass deportations, ethnic cleansing (remigration) etc., We cannot, should not and do not listen to Nazis.
As I said, they can keep crying.
I don't think it is unfortunate at all.
That'd be like saying European migration to Canada, which was also to find opportunities elsewhere, was unfortunate in the first place.
Humans have always migrated, traded, colonized and culturally influenced each other since the dawn of civilization.
Oppression in their native lands isn't why the majority of immigrants come to Canada.
Those are refugees and asylum seekers and they account for less than 10%.
The majority come because they are economically well off enough to afford to come to Canada (tickets, initial expenses, tuition fees etc)., and make money or seek a better life.
And because Canada has an economic need for immigration, because of which we accept them based on certain criteria.
Integration takes time and is a learned experience. The government cannot do it.
I respect where you are coming from Shaquille Oatmeal, and for the majority of my life I felt the same way. I'm not saying that we're at odds.
This quote that a lot of the geo-political experts whom I listen to often cite states, "May you live in interesting times".
I acknowledge that we do. I have concerns and hopes for what these times will produce.
The question that has struck me most often since Feb 28 2026 is "cui bono" / "who benefits"?
To that end, when it comes to immigration in Canada, I hope the answer is "the existing population and those who have recently arrived"
But I have resonable doubts, I hope you can understand that.
This quote that a lot of the geo-political experts whom I listen to often cite states, "May you live in interesting times".
I acknowledge that we do. I have concerns and hopes for what these times will produce.
The question that has struck me most often since Feb 28 2026 is "cui bono" / "who benefits"?
To that end, when it comes to immigration in Canada, I hope the answer is "the existing population and those who have recently arrived"
But I have resonable doubts, I hope you can understand that.
As I said, there are pros and cons. On balance I believe immigration is a net benefit to both Canada and the immigrants themselves.
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the annual numbers are still excessive and harmful to housing, the health care system and infrastructure
We're on the same page there. In fact I think we should have more immigration and I just think the way it's been handled is very sloppy.
One of the largest challenges to Canada, America, Europe, Japan and South Korea is ageing population.....the demographic tables are very scary.
The concern I have is the way it's been handled in Canada in recent years. 25 years ago I started getting to know recent immigrants into this incredible country and I was upset because their skill set was not recognized........doctors, engineers, ect........this was upsetting to me because this was incredible knowledge set to waste, forcing them to find other ways to make a living.
Now, you have immigration that is not targeting skill sets, but looking for numbers. This is one of the unforunate things that happened during COVID. Our policies as a country during that time really hurt where we are.
When I was young and meeting people from all over the world, I had the notion that we were attracting the best and brightest and attachting them to gaps in our economy. Over time I realized this was not the case. That makes me sad, because we could grow this country into the best place on earth, I really believe that. Immigration would be a big part of that if you matched the gaps to the people you're bringing in.
But if you look at it from a baseline economic standpoint......where you bring in numbers that don't match the needs to uplift and don't take time to create the infrastructure to help everyone....that is mismangement.
That is why I voted Conservative for the first time in my life the last federal election. There is a globalist problem in Canada........it's an unconfortable conversation to have......but interestingly, it's one that is often started by people in my life who came here before 2019.
2019 /2020 is an important time to consider.
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That is why I recommend focusing on permanent resident immigrants because the work experience and education required makes them high skilled workers.
In 2022 and 2023, when we had 1M+ arrivals, more than 50% were temporary residents via the International Mobility Program that didn't even require a LMIA.
So you had lots of blue collar workers, in low paying jobs, come in. Along with uncontrolled student visas to colleges no one as ever heard of.
This is the source of the issue and if we cancelled or severely limited temporary foreign workers, and instead focused on high skilled permanent resident immigration, then we'd have the best of the best.
Carney now has taken this step of allowing more PRs than TFWs. That is a positive development.
Sounds good, so do you see the current federal administration in Canada focusing on matching new immigrants to the missing gaps we have...... to build our small busnesses and existing enterprise companies?
I only ask because I have not heard of detailed, specific intiatives that meet that objective.
One of the challenges with your logic is that the Liberal government has been in power for 11 years.
So when you say something like, "there are positive developments".......people can quite easily point to the massive problems that have been created during that time.
If you want to take the position that immigration over the past 11 years has been handled properly....I can't help you.
Also, Mark Carney was very influential during the Trudeau administration. If you think Trudeau was allowed to run this amazing country the way he saw fit......I also cannot help you.
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I think they do the best they can. There are category based selections within the PR category.
Express Entry: Category-based selection - Canada.ca
Find out the current Express Entry categories and who’s eligible for each category. Express Entry categories are based on identified economic goals.
Of course, as I said before, there are always pros and cons.
There is no magic number or solution.
If you have immigration it is going to put pressure on your existing infrastructure, but help with consumption, production, labour shortages, tax revenue etc.,
If you have a moratorium on immigration it is going to result in economic stagnation or collapse, but help with addressing culture war BS.
On balance, however, immigration is a net benefit and Carney is doing the right thing by reducing temporary resident numbers and prioritizing PRs.
Not only is that the case but in even more cases they're just bots/paid shills. Social media is one of the places where the "general consensus" is anything but paid actors from third world nations paid cents on the dollar to spout anti-whatever is being argued about at the time rhetroci
you really do not understand what has happened
Ahmed Hussen—who served as Canada's Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship from 2017 to 2019
During Hussen's tenure as Immigration Minister, the Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) cutoff scores required for candidates to receive an Invitation to Apply (ITA) through Canada's Express Entry system dropped significantly: [1, 2]
Prior to Hessens changes, an applicant who had a Canaidan Job Offer was awarded 800 points for his / her CRS score
Hussen changed that to 50 points
The liberal agenda was not to match immigration to Canadas skill needs / gap , rather it was to admit anyone with a pulse
the globalist agenda
AI Overview
The Century Initiative is a national, non-partisan registered charity and advocacy movement founded in 2014 that aims to grow Canada's population to 100 million people by the year 2100. [1, 2, 3]
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