How does Toronto compare to Montreal?

[jalimon]

Yes, I think 2014 was a bit of a perfect storm; the federal court had thrown out the prostitution laws at the end of 2013, which meant a lot of freedom for new talent to get into the game without having to worry about providers or customers getting charged.

Plus, the economy was doing well, so there was money to be spent. After pot got legalised, we figured the Liberals would follow up by getting prostitution legalised too, but that never happened... and then things just started getting worse.

Yes, 2010-2019 was a great decade.

It was an era of girls now in their 30`s or more, who have moved on.

The current generation is different and does not see, I think, this escort work as work. They see it as give me money I am beautiful...

I may be wrong, or just too old even if I am still in my 50`s.

 

[Patron]

It was an era of girls now in their 30`s or more, who have moved on.

The current generation is different and does not see, I think, this escort work as work. They see it as give me money I am beautiful...

I may be wrong, or just too old even if I am still in my 50`s.

Or give me money, dad.

I know Luna is trying her best, but I am always going to be a pervert.

A few weeks ago, I was at a crowded airport on a work bench and lo and behold a beautiful blond girl likely in her very early 20s with a side boob visible outfit sits across from me. Granted it was the only seat available, and she likely figured it beat the floor.

She fiddles for a bit and amazingly makes a phone call instead of a text. It is to her dad. Flight has been delayed and her funds are low and she needs a cashapp transfer.

My mind is going in overdrive. I am trying to remember things from The Art of Approaching Women thread. If dad says no, I can tell her I am on an expense report. Let’s get lunch anywhere you want. My boss is paying for it. And I think maybe I shouldn’t tell her I have CashApp on my phone because I send deposits to sex workers with it, but I am not sure since it would be an interesting line, perhaps.

But no. Dad comes through. She checks her balance, never returns my eye contact, and off she goes to shop and eat.

A generation ago, those Montreal 18-22 year old escorts who were using their escort funds to live on didn’t call/text dad to get a Cash App transfer. They were on their own, as were most people at 18. They called home once a week to say hi and ask about the family pets. Hell, half of them said they hated their parents, who never sent them money.

I don’t think life decisions that are now made by 25-40 year olds really have a different decision-making process than they did when they were made by 18-24 year olds. They simply don’t have the need to make decisions until later in the modern world.

 

[lunaseraphim]

True to self, not too tomboyish, not too alternative, not too goth or not enough. But sweet. Feminine, tattoos, yes or no, etc.

You need to read customers' minds and be a quick change artist to match! You can not be all things to all people, so agree, just be true to yourself.

In my case, I just like the natural beauty of a woman's naked body. Not into Goth, Tats, very long hair or large breasts. However, you look like a good balance of very minor of those features on your website and Tryist - pass my picky looks test And you are a good writer about more than just hot sex.

Thank you for the compliment. Not everybody would agree, and that's ok. You can't be everybody's cup of tea in this business.

It was an era of girls now in their 30`s or more, who have moved on.

The current generation is different and does not see, I think, this escort work as work. They see it as give me money I am beautiful...

I may be wrong, or just too old even if I am still in my 50`s.

Don't believe everything you see on social media. Nobody has it easy. This job is very hard. When we talk about it, we get bashed, so we try to make it look like it's glamorous and easy. Hope you understand.

And back when I was in my early 20's, I would have been fucking terrified if I had been approached by an older man offering me money. It did happen a few times and I refused. I made a choice. 4 years ago, I made a different choice, to actually offer those services, not to say yes to somebody random shoving money in my face. And I try to please my clients if their expectations are reasonable and their behavior respectful.

 

[mburner]

Websites like Seeking are not advantageous for younger women (or any women) to use at all. They are full of predators who want escorting services for low rates, who push for bareback sex, and try to get away with hanging out with girls without paying. I have met girls who ended up being escort because they were only offered 200$ to spend an entire night with a man, and that was very common. You have to be really lucky to get a good offer on Seeking.. most girls don't. Same thing with Onlyfans.. yes some girls have made it big on OF, but at this point, it's rare that you can actually make good money on it, unless you are extremely popular. I think there are just less young women entering the sex industry because its not idealized and glamorized like it has been at one point.

Finally, someone says it: Sugar/dating sites and OF have long been easy scapegoats for an ever-changing landscape, where we bemoan it's not 2009 anymore because they've sucked the life out of the world we once knew and enjoyed. The complexities are far more complex than that, to say what should be obvious. Far from me to be able to pull all those strings together and wrap them into a neat ball. Way past the age when I'd have any desire to hazard three years of intense study for a Ph.D. about of of this that would be useless as soon as it was published. To turn a tried and true cliche upside down: The more things change, the more things are not the same.

 

[Valcazar]

I think it's a choice that you have to make, I also have noticed that there is an "escort look"..

It's a bit weird because I feel like that wasn't always a thing (or at least not as strong) in the past.

I've always tried to stay the truest possible to myself, but I don't want to come across as repulsive to clients by showing up looking too tomboyish or "alt".. I did notice a lot of men enjoy the goth girl look, which is sweet. But it's not unanimous.. This is just my personal experience, but I've tried many different styles over the years. What I've noticed is that men tend to like it the most if I look delicately feminine with a personal touch in terms of style, but at first I toned myself down, I was advised to have blonde hair and not dye it wild colors like I usually enjoy, had no tattoos.. It's hard to tell what the wide appeal is sometimes, but I see how my colleagues present themselves. How you show yourself to clients really changes how they perceive you.. I want to show that there are different sides to my personality, but that they don't have to worry about being looked at if they pick me up in a hotel lobby or if we go get dinner, if that makes sense..

That's something I am surprised isn't more common. Having different looks and sides to your personality seems to me like it would show them that they have these options, that they could take you to dinner (to use your example). But I can't remember the last time I've seen someone present themselves that way.

As for the type of client you are, it's a lot more common than you think.

I didn't think I was too unique in that.
More that my definition that GFE is more date/like, I'm paying for the emotional labor and PSE is more sexy playtime, I'm paying for the fantasy is a bit idiosyncratic.
It seems to me GFE gets defined more commonly like what you posted earlier (" 2 sog, DFK, bbbj and daty,").

I have had clients who booked me for nice dates or multi hours, who were far from being wealthy, and it was not their hobby. They just enjoyed seeing me. Some men have more disposable income but they prefer "quality over quantity" and in their mind, although sex is part of it, what is the most important part is the connection. And these men are not losers who can't meet anybody, they are often tourists or on a business trip, or just somebody who enjoys to get to know interesting women but don't feel like using the apps or going to bars. And btw I'm not implying that the girls who get several 1h bookings a day offer a "less good quality" service, it's just that the expectations and what the client needs are not the same.. if that makes sense. I know girls who work for massage parlors or agencies who could absolutely provide that same experience if they wanted to be indy.

All makes sense to me.

 

[Valcazar]

It used to be really easy to make friends here.

I feel that.

 

[lunaseraphim]

Finally, someone says it: Sugar/dating sites and OF have long been easy scapegoats for an ever-changing landscape, where we bemoan it's not 2009 anymore because they've sucked the life out of the world we once knew and enjoyed. The complexities are far more complex than that, to say what should be obvious. Far from me to be able to pull all those strings together and wrap them into a neat ball. Way past the age when I'd have any desire to hazard three years of intense study for a Ph.D. about of of this that would be useless as soon as it was published. To turn a tried and true cliche upside down: The more things change, the more things are not the same.

For me when I hear "2009" I hear economic crisis, and the beginning of a lot of changes when it comes to how people use the internet.. the advent of social media, new opportunities for young people to be visible that can be both wonderful and toxic, certain subjects being less taboo, certain internet cultures spilling out into reality, etc. Mentalities were changing and I think some people wanted to try new things because the fabric of society was different from how it used to be.

 

[lunaseraphim]

It's a bit weird because I feel like that wasn't always a thing (or at least not as strong) in the past.

That's something I am surprised isn't more common. Having different looks and sides to your personality seems to me like it would show them that they have these options, that they could take you to dinner (to use your example). But I can't remember the last time I've seen someone present themselves that way.

I didn't think I was too unique in that.
More that my definition that GFE is more date/like, I'm paying for the emotional labor and PSE is more sexy playtime, I'm paying for the fantasy is a bit idiosyncratic.
It seems to me GFE gets defined more commonly like what you posted earlier (" 2 sog, DFK, bbbj and daty,").

All makes sense to me.

Your definition of GFE as a "date" is not unique honestly. A lot of clients see it that way. I think the reason why a lot of providers don't experiement with their looks as much is because they either have a very clear brand and have been around for a while, but also because let's face it, it's really exhausting to have to care for your social media all the time and posting new pictures constantly. Not only that but platforms keep banning us. My X account got supended for the 3rd time for instance, so I just gave up.

I personally think agencies are the ones who use a false image of luxury to describe their services on their websites and branding. Indy escorts just end up kinda recreating that. A lot of people are drawn to luxurious experiences, but in the case of independent escorts, presenting yourself a certain way attracts the type of client who wants a travel companion or someone to experience fine dining with.

Image is very powerful. When I first entered this industry, I wore little stripper outfits (I still love those but I reserve them for special occasions lol) and little pleated skirts. I changed how I present myself completely to be more of a "girl next door". Then I tried the goth look.. I tried a lot of different looks, and they all attract very different types of clients. It gets boring tho when you always stick to the same type of thing.

It's not just how you dress. I find myself constantly having to prove how intelligent and kind and interesting I am, on social media and review boards. I was naive before and I would talk about my favorite music and movies on review boards, but that didn't work very well. I try to do this on social media once in a while, but that can be very exhausting. The reason why I do this is because the clients who are interested in this type of thing are meeting me for me, not because they want a series of acronyms. Those are the types of sessions I prefer. I'm not naive enough to think that if sex wasn't on the table they would still see me, although I have been booked purely for social time quite often over the years. But I find that it is a much different dynamic.

 

[Valcazar]

For me when I hear "2009" I hear economic crisis, and the beginning of a lot of changes when it comes to how people use the internet.. the advent of social media, new opportunities for young people to be visible that can be both wonderful and toxic, certain subjects being less taboo, certain internet cultures spilling out into reality, etc. Mentalities were changing and I think some people wanted to try new things because the fabric of society was different from how it used to be.

I think it is often underestimated how much having social media rise up right as the world took a major economic hit knocked things into a new state of being socially.

 

[lunaseraphim]

I think it is often underestimated how much having social media rise up right as the world took a major economic hit knocked things into a new state of being socially.

With this industry, it's also that the laws have changed. Fosta-Sesta really fucked over sex workers and their clients. The law that criminalizes third parties and clients fucked over sex workers, and ironically does not punish bad clients or employers most of the time.. and it makes good clients terrified.

 

[Valcazar]

Your definition of GFE as a "date" is not unique honestly. A lot of clients see it that way.

Me thinking the acronym list is the common view is probably a consequence of me hanging out here.
A reminder how the culture of a place can give you a skewed view of things despite your best efforts.

I think the reason why a lot of providers don't experiement with their looks as much is because they either have a very clear brand and have been around for a while, but also because let's face it, it's really exhausting to have to care for your social media all the time and posting new pictures constantly. Not only that but platforms keep banning us. My X account got supended for the 3rd time for instance, so I just gave up.

The whole social media for brand management is exhausting for all my artist friends as well.
Getting constantly banned for your work (as in your case) can only be much worse.

I personally think agencies are the ones who use a false image of luxury to describe their services on their websites and branding. Indy escorts just end up kinda recreating that. A lot of people are drawn to luxurious experiences, but in the case of independent escorts, presenting yourself a certain way attracts the type of client who wants a travel companion or someone to experience fine dining with.

Makes sense.
And selling the fantasy is part of what's going on after all.

Image is very powerful. When I first entered this industry, I wore little stripper outfits (I still love those but I reserve them for special occasions lol) and little pleated skirts. I changed how I present myself completely to be more of a "girl next door". Then I tried the goth look.. I tried a lot of different looks, and they all attract very different types of clients. It gets boring tho when you always stick to the same type of thing.

I can see you pulling each of those looks off.

It's not just how you dress. I find myself constantly having to prove how intelligent and kind and interesting I am, on social media and review boards. I was naive before and I would talk about my favorite music and movies on review boards, but that didn't work very well. I try to do this on social media once in a while, but that can be very exhausting. The reason why I do this is because the clients who are interested in this type of thing are meeting me for me, not because they want a series of acronyms. Those are the types of sessions I prefer. I'm not naive enough to think that if sex wasn't on the table they would still see me, although I have been booked purely for social time quite often over the years. But I find that it is a much different dynamic.

I did notice you offer things like social time, cuddle sessions, etc.
It seems that's pretty rare.
I think it's quite cool you do that, honestly.

 

[Valcazar]

With this industry, it's also that the laws have changed. Fosta-Sesta really fucked over sex workers and their clients. The law that criminalizes third parties and clients fucked over sex workers, and ironically does not punish bad clients or employers most of the time.. and it makes good clients terrified.

FOSTA-SESTA being a fucking train wreck is a whole thing.

 

[lunaseraphim]

FOSTA-SESTA being a fucking train wreck is a whole thing.

Absolutely..

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

I have been booked purely for social time quite often over the years. But I find that it is a much different dynamic.

I have wondered if anyone ever does that, like going to a restaurant with a beautiful escort to show off or talk?

My idea of fine dining is Denny's or Perkins (which was my favorite when I was growing up in Minneapolis). I have never cooked, only microwave food, and almost never go out when home - other than a Blizzard treat at DQ. Or, my Diet Cokes at strip clubs

But a friend in Toronto enjoys many different interesting places and goes out with older women friends almost every night. So we are all different. He enjoys a variety of interesting places (not high-end but medium), from various Pubs (but for food, neither he nor I drink or smoke) to Cranberries, where he knows all the staff, which is my favorite since I know the menu and have things I know what they are vs some fancy foreign dishes.

I am the extreme, and I always want to look up the menu online before I go so I am ready to order when I get there, not gaze at a menu trying to decide when at a restaurant.

 

[lunaseraphim]

I have wondered if anyone ever does that, like going to a restaurant with a beautiful escort to show off or talk?

My idea of fine dining is Denny's or Perkins (which was my favorite when I was growing up in Minneapolis). I have never cooked, only microwave food, and almost never go out when home - other than a Blizzard treat at DQ. Or, my Diet Cokes at strip clubs

But a friend in Toronto enjoys many different interesting places and goes out with older women friends almost every night. So we are all different. He enjoys a variety of interesting places (not high-end but medium), from various Pubs (but for food, neither he nor I drink or smoke) to Cranberries, where he knows all the staff, which is my favorite since I know the menu and have things I know what they are vs some fancy foreign dishes.

I am the extreme, and I always want to look up the menu online before I go so I am ready to order when I get there, not gaze at a menu trying to decide when at a restaurant.

They don't do it to "show off", they do it because they enjoy these types of activities in good company, and yes because they like to talk. I've been taken to restaurants that are not "high end" btw and to little bars. I've also had clients prepare picnics for me. I've been taken to the movies, to visit gardens and various nature spots, to the spa, etc. They take us on these dates because they enjoy making us happy as well.

 

[mburner]

They don't do it to "show off", they do it because they enjoy these types of activities in good company, and yes because they like to talk. I've been taken to restaurants that are not "high end" btw and to little bars. I've also had clients prepare picnics for me. I've been taken to the movies, to visit gardens and various nature spots, to the spa, etc. They take us on these dates because they enjoy making us happy as well.

Amen. The world doth turn so favorably and happily upon the polite gestures we extend to others.

 

[lunaseraphim]

From my professional experience, my Toronto tours have been much more successful than my Montreal tours so far. The last time I toured Montreal was last year.

Overall, I’ve received far more fly-me-to-you invitations and extended dates in Toronto, Southwestern Ontario, and Niagara than in Montreal.

Americans and Canadians staying in Toronto and Southwestern Ontario are incredibly generous! ❤

Montreal, overall, feels cheap and unsafe to me. Also cheap Americans.

Thank you for validating how I feel. The atmosphere in Montreal has made me want to retire.

 

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[Patron]

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