trump kidnaps Maduro to steal resources from Venezuela

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1- China brings in its own destroyers to protect their existing oil contracts
2- Venezuela starts a revolution against american control
3- More countries end ties with america (who has already brought back all diplomats)
4- Oil companies refuse to invest in what will likely be a state at war
5- americans spend more on war and get even less for social services
6- americans become globally hated

You simply hate America because of Trump and US protecting Israel from terrorism...your fantasy of a Jew free world is not gonna happen...You want America to become globally hated...something every terrorist dream of...
 
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I'm saying choosing a French wine or postponing a Florida vacation is pretty damn easy in the scheme of things.
Pulling back investment in the U.S. is damn hard.
Nothing more, nothing less.

If you and sk are getting defensive about it, my post might have served its purpose. I thought it was interesting.
I'm not defensive, I assumed I had to explain reality to you. Thats how intertwined our economies are and how it benefitted both sides. It's a tiny point. Here is a far bigger one.

How much US ownership of infrastructure came up to Canada after they were kicked out of Venezuela? Number I've heard is 1/2 a trillion over 40+ years. So why would those same oil companies want to become their own competitors by opening it up. And btw have to answer to shareholders for having to spend an estimated 100 billion to repair and upgrade Venezuela, while putting US employees in real danger(if they can even get enough).

And the US military costs to protect the project.

You are in fact deflecting. My answer stands as logical. What is the logical one, business wise, for this action.

Oh, and French wine is over priced. The Cabernet Franc based blends coming out of Niagara now from several boutique wineries are outstanding and winning awards. My meager seller of about 60 bottles is filled with them, some aging for 10 years. If you come up I can recommend several for a tasting run.
I think between real estate idiocy, insurance costs(both home and healthcare), Florida was already in trouble, even from your own Snowbirds. We are just adding to it. But even it we don't come back for 5 years, if at all, its going to hurt.
 
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I'm not defensive, I assumed I had to explain reality to you. Thats how intertwined our economies are and how it benefitted both sides. It's a tiny point. Here is a far bigger one.

How much US ownership of infrastructure came up to Canada after they were kicked out of Venezuela? Number I've heard is 1/2 a trillion over 40+ years. So why would those same oil companies want to become their own competitors by opening it up. And btw have to answer to shareholders for having to spend an estimated 100 billion to repair and upgrade Venezuela, while putting US employees in real danger(if they can even get enough).

And the US military costs to protect the project.

You are in fact deflecting. My answer stands as logical. What is the logical one, business wise, for this action.
You're ranting. This sub-discussion is about the Canadian economic boycott of the U.S.

Back to the point, all you and sk have actually said is that it's too hard to avoid the U.S. investment market. You two don't get it. I agree it's too hard to avoid our investment market. I just don't get the counterpoint that you are trying to make.
 

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Wyatt. you are the one who admitted that your family and friends spend Sunday throwing barbs at you! As for an insult, I ended it with a LOL.

You are way too sensitive for a right-wing man. Wait, I'm wrong and I will admit it, Trump is very thin skinned to. LMAO
I have know idea what you have in your head. My family and friends don't throw barbs at me. Some of them feel compelled by cable news to whine and react via text to some Trump action that day.

Maybe in that context you can understand the lack of any humor in your dig. The way it read to me was I note my friends and family contact me day and night. You basically respond I have no friends.

In any event, I just thought you should know next time you give me the whole "hey man, I thought you try to avoid insulting members" bit. I will shoot for the humor as always though.

For reference:
You don't think we all have friends and family texting and emailing us day and night. "Did you see that? Did you hear this?"
 
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You're ranting. This sub-discussion is about the Canadian economic boycott of the U.S.

Back to the point, all you and sk have actually said is that it's too hard to avoid the U.S. investment market. You two don't get it. I agree it's too hard to avoid our investment market. I just don't get the counterpoint that you are trying to make.
I'm making the point the US needs us. Period. And the boycott is in fact causing damage. To Amercan businesses. Your press is hiding it, other than small town local reportage. More importantly they are down playing it.

I don't think you realize the emotional aspect. It's not abating. Many are never going back, adjusting spending, and most importantly ADJUSTING HABITS. Ask anyone in business about how dangerous it can be to fuck with brand loyalty. Ask Budweiser. We are reading labels. Refusing to buy at the grassroots. And its becoming habit. We are substituting you now. Not in totality, but gradually, and in my opinion, permanently in some sectors.

And its not just Canada, its worldwide.
 

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I have know idea what you have in your head. My family and friends don't throw barbs at me. Some of them feel compelled by cable news to whine and react via text to some Trump action that day.

Maybe in that context you can understand the lack of any humor in your dig. The way it read to me was I note my friends and family contact me day and night. You basically respond I have no friends.

In any event, I just thought you should know next time you give me the whole "hey man, I thought you try to avoid insulting members" bit. I will shoot for the humor as always though.

For reference:

I don’t believe I’ve ever said, “hey man, I thought you try to avoid insulting members.” You, on the other hand, have said that to others, and I’ve seen multiple people call you out on it but I don't believe it was me.

As for your family and friends commenting, sending you news clips, and, as you put it, whining: that usually means those conversations don’t stop when you’re not part of them. I’m not trying to insult you; I’m pointing out what typically happens in any social circle.

We have a few MAGA folks among our family and friends, too. Everyone seems to have one or two black sheep in the herd. We accept them and generally try to avoid politics when they’re around. And yes, when they’re not, there’s some lighthearted ribbing and criticism of them and laughing at them at their expense but it's not malicious. :unsure: ;)
 

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You simply hate America because of Trump and US protecting Israel from terrorism...your fantasy of a Jew free world is not gonna happen...You want America to become globally hated...something every terrorist dream of...
No, I just hate racists and fascists.
Are you just mad because america wouldn't take you and you had to come here instead?

 

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As for your family and friends commenting, sending you news clips, and, as you put it, whining: that usually means those conversations don’t stop when you’re not part of them. I’m not trying to insult you; I’m pointing out what typically happens in any social circle.
I'm sure your post makes sense to you. Actually, friends and family ask me if I have heard of various political events for similar reasons to here. They want to try to believe they are doing something. Generally they also know I won't dismiss their concerns, but rather give them a different take on things that they saw on cable news. From there, we might continue the discussion.

It's possible your bias is that everyone who doesn't agree with all anti-Trump messaging has to be 100% MAGA. That of course is overly-simplistic. That's why I can actually have political discussions with friends and family.

I'm sure my friends and family have discussions amongst themselves. I would think that was perfectly normal. However, you might be projecting time spent on political forums to broad-based social groups. We talk far more about things like sports, movies, vacations, restaurants and family dynamics than we do politics.
 
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You've been crying since 2025...your statement above sums up what you're about... you want America to be globally hated... you mad because Iran is in collapse? I love the Iranians and i'm glad they're standing up to the supreme leader.
No, rich, I would prefer that america be a country that was a good neighbour, a safe place to visit and to do trade with.
Its sad watch right wing racists turn it into a failed and hated state.

But trump won't last long, the dems are getting closer to taking the house even if trump isn't turfed out for dementia.

 
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No, rich, I would prefer that america be a country that was a good neighbour, a safe place to visit and to do trade with.
Its sad watch right wing racists turn it into a failed and hated state.

But trump won't last long, the dems are getting closer to taking the house even if trump isn't turfed out for dementia.

Nah...you finally admitted it...you hate Americans...you want them globally hated...don't be a pussy...you want to scream "death to America" so bad...
 
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Why are you here if you love america and trump so much more?
trump is getting more american contracts cancelled.

Who ever told you I love Trump? lmao... I'm here to bring in some common sense to you... You are too emotional about someone who has minimal effect on you...each and everyone here who leans left accuses someone who oppose your views as racist...and act like children when you don't get your way...life is like that...we're in a sex worker forum...book yourself a session with a nice lady and maybe get post nut clarity...lol.
 
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Who ever told you I love Trump? lmao... I'm here to bring in some common sense to you... You are too emotional about someone who has minimal effect on you...each and everyone here who leans left accuses someone who oppose your views as racist...and act like children when you don't get your way...life is like that...we're in a sex worker forum...book yourself a session with a nice lady and maybe get post nut clarity...lol.
You are an admitted ex drug addict immigrant who trolls the board with trump gifs.
Your views are clear.

Another message from your leader.
 

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I pulled an all nighter watching TRUMPS good ol' USA doing what it does best, kick ass and take names, the like I have never seem before really. Part of me was really sad because it made me realize how weak sauce canada has become under 11 years of liberal (mis) management. canada could never pull off an operation like that not even close- it's non existent actually when you look at it.

It made me ashamed to be a canadian realizing that canada has been ripping off and mooching off the US for decades by under achieving NATO commitments by the billions, instead choosing to assume that the USA will protect us for free. Which is not very nice. Or the fact that canada started the trade war decades ago by savagely placing tariffs as aggressively high as 270% on US dairy goods. Which was also not very nice. Also ripping off its own citizens with supply management to artificially keep dairy prices high- mainly to the benefit of quebec dairy farmers. quebec is a have not welfare province.

So when I woke up tired and groggy and turned the TV back on I couldn't believe The President was just about to start his press address. He would have been up all night with no sleep at all yet he looked fresh as a daisy and was sharp as a tack. I don't know where he gets his stamina at his age. Sleepy joe hardy did anything as president- his crooked evil handlers did. Sleepy joe was always falling up stairs, falling down stairs, falling on stage, looking around with his mouth open not having a clue how to get off a stage. It was pathetic to watch.

It's funny who the evil left support and who they don't. Always supporting the bad actors and vilifying the good. Nasty people.
As part of the USMCA that we signed back in Trump's first term Canada committed to allowing the US dairy producers access to up to 3% of the Canadian market. We didn't allow that to happen. Canada is like Europe in many ways very protectionist. Case in point look at interprovincial trade barriers that still exist. Mainly to protect the weaker Atlantic provinces and of course Quebec.
On the flipside we do have legitimate gripes with the United States in some areas. Case in point the longstanding dispute over softwood lumber. But there is no doubt that overall Canada unfairly benefits from the trade relationship which is why Trump and his gang are upsetting the apple cart. They're sick and tired of getting shafted and being taken advantage of. Now I don't like some of the tactics he employed which ended up costing the CPC a minority gov't in the last election. He could have handled the dispute in a better manner and a bit more diplomatically.
Bottom line is this. Canada relies on the United States for about 70% of its total exports. The US relies on Canada for just 17% of theirs. Who's holding A-A and who's holding 7-7 in this scenario?
 

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As part of the USMCA that we signed back in Trump's first term Canada committed to allowing the US dairy producers access to up to 3% of the Canadian market. We didn't allow that to happen. Canada is like Europe in many ways very protectionist. Case in point look at interprovincial trade barriers that still exist. Mainly to protect the weaker Atlantic provinces and of course Quebec.
On the flipside we do have legitimate gripes with the United States in some areas. Case in point the longstanding dispute over softwood lumber. But there is no doubt that overall Canada unfairly benefits from the trade relationship which is why Trump and his gang are upsetting the apple cart. They're sick and tired of getting shafted and being taken advantage of. Now I don't like some of the tactics he employed which ended up costing the CPC a minority gov't in the last election. He could have handled the dispute in a better manner and a bit more diplomatically.
Bottom line is this. Canada relies on the United States for about 70% of its total exports. The US relies on Canada for just 17% of theirs. Who's holding A-A and who's holding 7-7 in this scenario?
how dare you shed light to this...
 
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